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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 2:23 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:41:27 +0000, Baron wrote:

> Meat Plow Inscribed thus:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:16:06 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>
>>>> I notice that no one in this whole thread has mentioned taking
>>>> suitable precautions against causing damage from static discharge!
>>>
>>> It's implicit. It's assumed anyone who wants to do this knows the
>>> routine.
>
> I would suspect that based on the OP question, that might not be a safe
> assumption.
>
>> That's what I thought also. You need to be aware of ESD precautions
>> before you experiment with most modern electronics. I've been using an
>> anti-static mat and wristband for a good 25 years. I've run my fair
>> share of computer equipment while testing components using a
>> motherboard set atop a non-conductive surface.
>>
>>
> I don't disagree. But then you and I have been doing this kind of work
> for a good many years. I'll bet that you will have had odd failures,
> particularly in the early years that you couldn't explain. ;-)

I've damaged things with ESD. Just because myself or anyone else didn't
bring it up in this thread until you did does not make you any better.
Comprende?

I found your reply a bit acerbic and degrading to the group denizens who
might have a few hundred years of combined electronics service
experience.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 2:25 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:25:32 -0700, D wrote:

> On 3/22/2011 12:41 PM, Baron wrote:
>> Meat Plow Inscribed thus:
>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:16:06 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I notice that no one in this whole thread has mentioned taking
>>>>> suitable precautions against causing damage from static discharge!
>>>>
>>>> It's implicit. It's assumed anyone who wants to do this knows the
>>>> routine.
>>
>> I would suspect that based on the OP question, that might not be a safe
>> assumption.
>>
>>> That's what I thought also. You need to be aware of ESD precautions
>>> before you experiment with most modern electronics. I've been using an
>>> anti-static mat and wristband for a good 25 years. I've run my fair
>>> share of computer equipment while testing components using a
>>> motherboard set atop a non-conductive surface.
>>>
>>>
>> I don't disagree. But then you and I have been doing this kind of work
>> for a good many years. I'll bet that you will have had odd failures,
>> particularly in the early years that you couldn't explain. ;-)
>>
>>
> I am assuming grounding myself on the grounded PSU case would be
> sufficient, correct?
>
> Dan

Keeping a hand on an earth ground always helps. Don't forget before you
remove or add components to the mainboard to allow the 5 volt supply to
drain. Most mainboards have a green LED to indicate when it's safe to
make hardware changes.

--
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== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 3:18 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> Don't forget before you remove or add components to the
> mainboard to let the 5V supply drain. Most mainboards
> have a green LED to indicate when it's safe to make
> hardware changes...

...the light being off, being the indication.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 4:25 pm
From: Baron

D Inscribed thus:

> On 3/22/2011 12:41 PM, Baron wrote:
>> Meat Plow Inscribed thus:
>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:16:06 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I notice that no one in this whole thread has mentioned taking
>>>>> suitable precautions against causing damage from static discharge!
>>>>
>>>> It's implicit. It's assumed anyone who wants to do this knows the
>>>> routine.
>>
>> I would suspect that based on the OP question, that might not be a
>> safe assumption.
>>
>>> That's what I thought also. You need to be aware of ESD precautions
>>> before you experiment with most modern electronics. I've been using
>>> an anti-static mat and wristband for a good 25 years. I've run my
>>> fair share of computer equipment while testing components using a
>>> motherboard set atop a non-conductive surface.
>>>
>>
>> I don't disagree. But then you and I have been doing this kind of
>> work
>> for a good many years. I'll bet that you will have had odd failures,
>> particularly in the early years that you couldn't explain. ;-)
>>
>
> I am assuming grounding myself on the grounded PSU case would be
> sufficient, correct?
>
> Dan

The point being that any potential difference between you and whatever
you are handling must be minimised. Its easy to generate more voltage
on your body than a semiconductor device can tolerate. Simply getting
up from a chair or opening a postal packet can often be more than
enough to generate damaging voltages.

As William mentioned anti static wrist bands help by equalising the
potential difference between two points. The nasty thing about damage
to semiconductors is that the damage doesn't always appear straight
away and can cause creeping failures.

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 6:43 pm
From: "Mark Zacharias"

"Baron" <baron@linuxmaniac.net> wrote in message
news:imater$bnk$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Meat Plow Inscribed thus:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:59:29 +0000, Baron wrote:
>>
>>> D Inscribed thus:
>>>
>>> I notice that no one in this whole thread has mentioned taking
>>> suitable precautions against causing damage from static discharge !
>>
>> And in your opinion, this indicates what?
>>
>
> Ignorance ! An awful lot of the new build failures that I see are from
> people who have no understanding of how easy it is to cause damage to
> components simply from not being aware that damage can occur during
> handling.
>
> It seems that all made the assumption that the OP is aware of this. The
> original question suggests that the OP isn't !
>
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron.

I don't think static is a common failure mode of bipolar devices. And no,
I'm not saying it never happens, anything is possible. Just not common,
that's all.

Mark Z.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 6:53 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Meat Plow wrote:
>
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:41:27 +0000, Baron wrote:
>
> > Meat Plow Inscribed thus:
> >
> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:16:06 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I notice that no one in this whole thread has mentioned taking
> >>>> suitable precautions against causing damage from static discharge!
> >>>
> >>> It's implicit. It's assumed anyone who wants to do this knows the
> >>> routine.
> >
> > I would suspect that based on the OP question, that might not be a safe
> > assumption.
> >
> >> That's what I thought also. You need to be aware of ESD precautions
> >> before you experiment with most modern electronics. I've been using an
> >> anti-static mat and wristband for a good 25 years. I've run my fair
> >> share of computer equipment while testing components using a
> >> motherboard set atop a non-conductive surface.
> >>
> >>
> > I don't disagree. But then you and I have been doing this kind of work
> > for a good many years. I'll bet that you will have had odd failures,
> > particularly in the early years that you couldn't explain. ;-)
>
> I've damaged things with ESD. Just because myself or anyone else didn't
> bring it up in this thread until you did does not make you any better.
> Comprende?
>
> I found your reply a bit acerbic and degrading to the group denizens who
> might have a few hundred years of combined electronics service
> experience.

And hundreds of people with little or no understanding of ESD
precautions. Like the fact that a properly designed antistatic wrist
band has a 1 Meg flameproof resistor between you and ground to limit the
discharge current, and to keep some idiot from getting cocky and
electrocuting themselves.

--
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Teflon coated.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 10:16 pm
From: D

On 3/22/2011 6:43 PM, Mark Zacharias wrote:

>
> I don't think static is a common failure mode of bipolar devices. And
> no, I'm not saying it never happens, anything is possible. Just not
> common, that's all.
>
> Mark Z.

Well, I'm not a professional like many of the people here, but I have to
say I have done a fair bit of work on the numerous PC's I have owned
(including replacing a bunch of those infamous leaky caps on a couple
MOBOs a few years back), and so far, I haven't had any difficulties.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I would also think it's pretty rare.
I now live in Seattle which, being more temperate compared to the
winters when I was in central Ohio, seems relatively low-static (less
use of central heating). I haven't had any trouble yet just grounding
myself periodically and being careful.

Dan

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 23 2011 1:00 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> I now live in Seattle which, being more temperate compared to
> the winters when I was in central Ohio, seems relatively low-
> static (less use of central heating). I haven't had any trouble
> yet just grounding myself periodically and being careful.

I live outside Seattle, and can't remember the last time I built up a charge
walking across the carpet. The RH (when it isn't raining!) is relatively
low, but doesn't seem to contribute to static build-up. I never turn on the
heat, even during cold weather, which keeps the RH from being driven even
lower.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 2:28 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:14:50 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:

> "Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:hiQhp.29782$Xm4.15521@newsfe10.ams2...
>>
>> Here's a hi res picture of the opened module:
>>
>>
>> http://postimage.org/image/2qgigsn38/
>>
>>
>> What are those things?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gareth.
>
>
>
> Why would you mount them in a corner rather than the centre of the
> heatsink?

The back of the device is not the heat sink. Don't forget it is to be
torqued down to a much larger heat sink where the location of the power
devices within the package is insignificant.

--
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 2:59 pm
From: "Gareth Magennis"

"Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2011.03.22.21.27.49@lmao.lol.lol...
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:14:50 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>
>> "Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
>> news:hiQhp.29782$Xm4.15521@newsfe10.ams2...
>>>
>>> Here's a hi res picture of the opened module:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://postimage.org/image/2qgigsn38/
>>>
>>>
>>> What are those things?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gareth.
>>
>>
>>
>> Why would you mount them in a corner rather than the centre of the
>> heatsink?
>
> The back of the device is not the heat sink. Don't forget it is to be
> torqued down to a much larger heat sink where the location of the power
> devices within the package is insignificant.
>

Oops, I did forget that.

Cheers,

Gareth.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 3:11 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:59:13 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:

> "Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2011.03.22.21.27.49@lmao.lol.lol...
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:14:50 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:
>>
>>> "Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hiQhp.29782$Xm4.15521@newsfe10.ams2...
>>>>
>>>> Here's a hi res picture of the opened module:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://postimage.org/image/2qgigsn38/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are those things?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gareth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would you mount them in a corner rather than the centre of the
>>> heatsink?
>>
>> The back of the device is not the heat sink. Don't forget it is to be
>> torqued down to a much larger heat sink where the location of the power
>> devices within the package is insignificant.
>>
>>
>
> Oops, I did forget that.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Gareth.

:) In addition I've seen STK devices similar to these standing alone
without an external sink used to drive large discrete arrays. I think
this was employed in an older Sansui receiver. Formerly doing warranty
service for the Sansui brand I wasn't very fond of any of their equipment
especially higher powered amplifiers.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 6:43 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:ug8ip.128972$P95.109786@newsfe05.ams2...
>
>
>
> http://datasheets.pl/
>

Nice one, Ian. Duly added to the appropriate folder in my "Favourites"

Arfa

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 9:58 pm
From: Sylvia Else

On 22/03/2011 11:07 AM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> Actually very faint sound at max vol w earphone but effectively silent.
>
> It can't be the speakers because it does the same with two
> different"speakers".
>
> AM I right to think it is a capacitor in the amp circuit? The reason I doubt
> is it does not respond to hitting/shaking. THe other thing is the faint
> sound at high volume doesn't match past experience with amp capacitor
> burnout.
>
> THe unit is a Supersonic 7" 193a HDTV with a 12v power adaptor.

Presumably it's stereo, in which case the loss of both audio channels
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 22 2011 11:59 pm
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I have a Philips RTH718 mini-Hi-Fi and can't turn on. It's seen that the
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Thank you for your attention

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