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TOPIC: I find it hard to love midgets
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/c803f4d73c255fac?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 9:13 am
From: Michael Gross

That's the only thing I hate is the goddamn midgets. All of them. I
don't care what color they are I hate them all. A standing order at the
door there, it should read "No Fucking Midgets." I mean that. I don't
know what about midgets riles me, but they look up at you like they want
sympathy. "Get out of my way little short motherfucker." I can't kick as
high as I used to but I put my foot in a midget's ass. Don't want none
around me don't want none. You try to be nice to a midget, you stand and
converse with them. They stand there breathing on your fly. I don't like
that. I don't want anybody breathing on my fly unless they serious. If
you do sure you do. We'll pause here for a moment, we'll drink to human
beings around the world. What makes them laugh. First this shit.

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TOPIC: IDC 40-pin connector for 80-conductor cable?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/468dba7cb3f71499?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 5:24 pm
From: DaveC

> The other side of the cable usually fixes that anyway...

No it doesn't.

There's no way to get 2 female connectors to mate pin 1 to pin 1.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 5:34 pm
From: LectronNuis

From news.eternal-september.org DaveC wrote:
> Gymmy Bob/Janice/J P. Bengi/Josepi/
> stealing the Identity of
> "m II" <C@in.the.hat>
> posted specious flipancy in
> <xwUcp.72207$QD2.1152@newsfe10.iad>
>> Either the pins will be what he needs or a male connector won't do it
>> wither. It will come out the same unless he twists some strands of the
>> cable.
>>
>> Think about it.
>
>I think you need to get two F connectors and try it yourself. Put them face
>to face. Pin 1 aligns with pin 2.
>
Gymmy is tugging your chain - friend.

<mII> has left the building, ran away from
the continual forgeries GB is posting.
You get more info in reading <mII>'s last
post:
From: m II <C@in.the.hat>
Newsgroups:rec.radio.shortwave,alt.anagrams,
sci.electronics.basics,sci.electronics.design,
alt.energy.homepower
Subject: ping Brenda...
Message-ID: <4d6d9f2a@news.x-privat.org>

GB uses Teranews and Giganews to spread his bile.
No way can GB use X-priv as Dmitry has canned his butt
on that server. GB is legendary for his
"persona-non-grata" status.
You are just experiencing what thousands have fallen
into... wasting your time and energy.

Look before you leap.. is the best advice you get.

hTh

fup --------->alt.energy.homepower

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 5:56 pm
From: DaveC

>> There's no way to get 2 female connectors to mate pin 1 to pin 1.
>
> Suppose I have a gizmo that lets me connect female-female, but that
> scrambles the pinout. Does it get unscrambled if I use 2 of them
> in series? (adding a short chunk of cable with female-female.)

Let us know how it works out.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 8:11 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Hal Murray wrote:
>
> >Those are cables with typically 1 female connector at one end and 2 female
> >connectors at the other end.
> >
> >I need 1 female and 1 male connector.
> >
> >IDC male 40-pin for 80-conductor flat cable are apparently made from
> >unobtainium...
>
> I don't think they make what you are looking for.
>
> You might be able to fake it with a make-male gizmo. That is
> plug a bunch of pins into a female connectot to turn it into a make connector.
>
> If you can't find something targeted at that use, a normal
> through-hole header might work. The board end will probably be too
> short. Mumble. Solder two together, or push the pins off a bit, or ...

It won't work. You can't just solder two connectors together. That
will swap the odd & even pin numbers and short out the entire buss.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid� on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 8:14 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Hal Murray wrote:
>
> >There's no way to get 2 female connectors to mate pin 1 to pin 1.
>
> Suppose I have a gizmo that lets me connect female-female, but that
> scrambles the pinout. Does it get unscrambled if I use 2 of them
> in series? (adding a short chunk of cable with female-female.)

You might as well go to a 40 conductor cable if you do that. The 80
conductor cabe is a set of transmission lines and the reflections from a
mix of 40 & 80 pin conductors will screw it up.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid� on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 9:19 pm
From: I AM THAT I AM

On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 16:45:16 -0800, DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:

>I think you need to get two F connectors and try it yourself. Put them face
>to face. Pin 1 aligns with pin 2.

You're an idiot.

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TOPIC: 12 year-old girl and others charged in beating and branding incident of
15-year-old
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/1a1f747900a97eba?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 5:43 pm
From: Jamie

m II wrote:

>
>
> "Rich Grise" wrote in message
> news:il14o9$eol$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> AWS wrote:
>
>> http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=14195616
>>
>> JACKSON, Miss (AP) - Details have been released in the case of a
>> 15-year-old boy beaten and branded with hot metal in Lauderdale County.
>>
>> Authorities say it happened after an argument with a 12-year-old girl at
>> a party where teens had been drinking. Five people including the girl
>> are charged in the case.
>>
>> Sheriff Bllie Sllie says 46-year-old Denise Randall hosted the party
>> last weekend.
>>
>> Sollie says the young girl's boyfriend held the unidentified victim at
>> gunpoint while he was beaten and branded.
>>
>> (Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
>
> ------------------------------
> Were they niggers?
>
> Thanks,
> Rich the Cynic
>
> --------------------
> No the people were not illiterate and could pronounce the word "negro"
> properly.
>
>
> mike
>
How do you know that? Were you a participant?

Jamie

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 8:14 pm
From: thanatoid

Rich Grise <richg@example.net.invalid> wrote in
news:il14o9$eol$2@news.eternal-september.org:

> AWS wrote:
>
>> http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=14195616
>>
>> JACKSON, Miss (AP) - Details have been released in the
>> case of a 15-year-old boy beaten and branded with hot
>> metal in Lauderdale County.
>>
>> Authorities say it happened after an argument with a
>> 12-year-old girl at a party where teens had been drinking.
>> Five people including the girl are charged in the case.

<snip>

> Were they niggers?
>
> Thanks,
> Rich the Cynic

Since it politically incorrect to mention race in the news these
days, we may not know for a while whether the victim was black
or white. We do know that all the perpetrators were white, since
their mug shots are on the web.

Any particular reason you asked?

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TOPIC: I found another video of Lady Veteran !! LQQK !!
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/1c108fe5d1a67838?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 9:32 am
From: Michael Gross

This was after Glenn Wright came home and found Lady Veteran in bed with
Jeff Hackler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb_ff00ekE4

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TOPIC: TV sucks
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/325e56798a864c9c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 7:33 pm
From: cjt

On 3/6/2011 5:05 PM, LSMFT wrote:
> I haven't seen one program tonight that somebody didn't fuck up the
> sound or screw up the picture or both. This country is going in the shit
> tank.
>
>
>
Then you didn't watch Les Mis on PBS -- absolutely fantastic.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 7:35 pm
From: Sylvia Else

On 7/03/2011 10:05 AM, LSMFT wrote:
> I haven't seen one program tonight that somebody didn't fuck up the
> sound or screw up the picture or both. This country is going in the shit
> tank.
>

Which country?

Sylvia.

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TOPIC: Disc tray won't open
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/d3e448d3a0bd19cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 8:23 pm
From: GARY

The disc drive raises the disc until it presses against a round
plastic plate so the disc "hovers" over the read laser.

However, the disc spins very slowly or moves only about 1" and then
stops.

Where is the "drive train" and how do I check it to see if it is
slipping? Is there a belt?

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TOPIC: How-To: Common Cause Of Flat Panel PS Failure
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/ff5b6703ec041dcc?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 8:56 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> On Mar 6, 7:35 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is common to almost all flat panel power supplies. There are 4
> > electrolytic capacitors (same physical size) on the switching PS.
> > There are 2) 1000uF X 10V and 2) 470uF X 15V that usually bulge and/or
> > fail. You shouldn't pay more than .25to .50c for each. (I used higher
> > voltage on the replacements of 1000x15 and 470x25)
> > Symptoms of failure are: slow power-up or totally dead.
>
> Look for highest ripple current rating. Nichicon HZ, HN, Panasonic FM

Going to a higher voltage usually raises the initial ESR. That kind
of defeats the purpose of repairing the equipment.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid� on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 8:57 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Bob Villa wrote:
>
> On Mar 6, 3:31 pm, PlainB...@yawhoo.com wrote:
> > On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 10:52:54 -0800 (PST), stratu...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >On Mar 6, 7:35 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> This is common to almost all flat panel power supplies. There are 4
> > >> electrolytic capacitors (same physical size) on the switching PS.
> > >> There are 2) 1000uF X 10V and 2) 470uF X 15V that usually bulge and/or
> > >> fail. You shouldn't pay more than .25to .50c for each. (I used higher
> > >> voltage on the replacements of 1000x15 and 470x25)
> > >> Symptoms of failure are: slow power-up or totally dead.
> >
> > >Look for highest ripple current rating. Nichicon HZ, HN, Panasonic FM
> >
> > >G
> >
> > Correct. 'Bob Villa' apparently wants repeat business as his high ESR
> > caps will fail quickly. Note, 'Bob', good quality low ESR caps aren't
> > real expensive - you just aren't going to buy them at Radio Shack or
> > Caps R Us.
> >
> > PlainBill
>
> Got them from Newark (Illinois Cap. and Rubycon)

Which series? The brand tells you nothing about their
specifications.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid� on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 9:46 pm
From: Grant

On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 23:56:56 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 6, 7:35 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > This is common to almost all flat panel power supplies. There are 4
>> > electrolytic capacitors (same physical size) on the switching PS.
>> > There are 2) 1000uF X 10V and 2) 470uF X 15V that usually bulge and/or
>> > fail. You shouldn't pay more than .25to .50c for each. (I used higher
>> > voltage on the replacements of 1000x15 and 470x25)
>> > Symptoms of failure are: slow power-up or totally dead.
>>
>> Look for highest ripple current rating. Nichicon HZ, HN, Panasonic FM
>
>
> Going to a higher voltage usually raises the initial ESR. That kind
>of defeats the purpose of repairing the equipment.

Opposite, higher voltage rating usually lowers ESR ;) Check the datasheets.

Grant.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 11:50 pm
From: Kripton

On 2011-03-06 22:31:55 +0100, PlainBill@yawhoo.com said:

> On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 10:52:54 -0800 (PST), stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> On Mar 6, 7:35�am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This is common to almost all flat panel power supplies. There are 4
>>> electrolytic capacitors (same physical size) on the switching PS.
>>> There are 2) 1000uF X 10V and 2) 470uF X 15V that usually bulge and/or
>>> fail. You shouldn't pay more than .25to .50c for each. (I used higher
>>> voltage on the replacements of 1000x15 and 470x25)
>>> Symptoms of failure are: slow power-up or totally dead.
>>
>> Look for highest ripple current rating. Nichicon HZ, HN, Panasonic FM
>>
>> G�
> Correct. 'Bob Villa' apparently wants repeat business as his high ESR
> caps will fail quickly. Note, 'Bob', good quality low ESR caps aren't
> real expensive - you just aren't going to buy them at Radio Shack or
> Caps R Us.
>
> PlainBill

you can build yourself a very usefull esr meter to identify quickly the
faulty capacitor ...

schematics here, simple analog to sophisticated digilat esr meter.

http://kripton2035.free.fr/esr-repository.html

regards,
--
---
Kripton

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TOPIC: Cypress CP5609AMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/86eab466f52081c0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 10:43 pm
From: Franc Zabkar

On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 15:55:06 +0800, Man-wai Chang
<toylet.toylet@gmail.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>I would like to modify a dead mouse into a LED power. The chip would not
>activate the LED input until the PC boots into Window$.
>
>Could I short a few pins on the CP5609AMT to skip the detection of
>Window$ and instantly turns on the LED input?

FWIW, this obsolescence document advises that the CP5609AMT and
CP5605AM devices have been replaced by the CY7C63613-SC:
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf/getfile.php?dir=Datasheet-050&file=DSA008645.pdf&scan=n

CY7C63411/12/13, CY7C63511/12/13, CY7C63612/13 Low-speed USB
Peripheral Controller:
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf/getfile.php?dir=Datasheets-8&file=DSA-145671.pdf&scan=

My cursory examination of the document would suggest that the
microcontroller may be waiting for a command over the USB interface
before it activates the LED. Otherwise one of the GPIO pins may have
the desired function, but this would be implemented in the firmware by
the designer of the mouse.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

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TOPIC: Unidentifiable washing machine klixon
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/96f4548548225802?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 12:32 am
From: Andre Majorel

On 2011-03-03, Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:39:54 +0000, Andre Majorel wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know who makes these ?
>>
>> http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/lf1200/files/lf1200_klixon1.jpg
>> http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/lf1200/files/lf1200_klixon2.jpg
>>
>> A logo is visible on the right of the lid :
>>
>> http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/lf1200/files/lf1200_klixon_back.jpg
>>
>> I need to find a replacement. The markings on the top read NA38 94076
>> Z0110A02C1.

Or maybe ZO110A02C1 (zed oh, not zed zero).
>
> Looks like a switch.

It is.

> http://www.sensata.com/klixon/pressure-switch-precision-package.htm

Sensata don't seem to have any with the same form factor.
And they're on the wrong side of the Atlantic for me. Which is
perhaps why they don't have the part I need. <g>

The klixon is a Siltal part, an Italian white goods
manufacturer. But that doesn't tell me who actually made it.
This isn't the Siltal logo.

Siltal is out of business and the part is "no longer
manufactured". Off to find a generic replacement.

An ohmmeter and a saucepan full of water tell me that it's
indeed an NA38, i.e. normally open, closed above 38�C. I would
have expected a security thermostat to have a much higher
actuating temperature, like 100�C. What is 38�C good for ?
Preventing damage to wool/synthetic ?

Thanks everyone.

--
Andr� Majorel http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/
"The object of this year's expedition is to see if we can find
trace of last year's expedition."

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