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TOPIC: motherboard RAM failures
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/3e25b3ae78058770?hl=en
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 17 2011 9:07 pm
From: Smitty Two
In article <mch5o6lvkka0nlgto4h7kcr1c0pk6029vb@4ax.com>,
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:27:42 -0700, Smitty Two
> <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Recently starting building computers for a customer, using components
> >they supply, and have run into an alarming percentage (10?) of
> >motherboards that fail to recognize one RAM slot. Swapping the MB puts
> >them in order, and so far the customer has not had any problem returning
> >the bad MBs for credit to his vendor.
>
> I haven't seen anything like that. However, I did have an unusual
> problem when I purchased about 8 MSI motherboards from a distributor.
> All the boards had a problem of some sort, but not all were identical,
> which is usually the case with production defects. After some
> investigation, I discovered that their shipping department had boxed
> up and delivered the boards that were being returned by other
> customers. This might be what's happening with the large number of
> failures.
>
> >Is this a known epidemic? RoHS associated? I'm not being faulted for
> >this issue,
>
> Not that I know about. However, it's considered standard practice to
> assign the blame before the problem is identified and fixed.
>
> >but also wondering how likely it is that my (experienced)
> >employee is damaging the RAM slots when he plugs in the RAM.
>
> Highly likely if he's using one set of RAM sticks to test the boards.
> Unlikely if each board has its own set of RAM. Very unlikely if it's
> the same slot that always craps out.
>
> You might also check if the CPU is properly seated in its socket. That
> has caused some similar (but not identical) problems.
>
> >All reasoned feedback appreciated.
>
> The model number of the MSI motherboard and the exact spec of the RAM
> might have been helpful. Some motherboards are VERY picky about the
> type and speed of RAM that they use. On the borderline devices, a
> given SDRAM stick will barely work in one slot, and fail in others.
> You might be dealing with such borderline situations. Numbers please.
Thanks for your detailed response. I am out of office until Monday and
will post back with further info then.
== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 5:55 am
From: PeterD
On 3/17/2011 10:24 PM, Smitty Two wrote:
> In article<ilst47$i76$4@pyrite.mv.net>, PeterD<peter2@hipson.net>
> wrote:
>
>>...
>>
>> They are usually good. I assume you try other RAM to make sure that you
>> are not using a marginal RAM device, right?
>
> Once the computers pass the single beep test and the visual inspection,
> they are buttoned up and delivered. It's my customer who learns whether
> there are issues with RAM or anything else beyond that. But I'm
> reasonably sure that he's swapping the RAM stick before diagnosing the
> "bad MB."
>
I would not assume that at all... I'd suggest trying to see if they can
confirm they did any diagnostics.
--
I'm never going to grow up.
== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 10:01 am
From: Meat Plow
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:21:33 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
> In article <pan.2011.03.17.20.19.42@lmao.lol.lol>,
> Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I'd switch to Asus.
>
> Not my call.
Been using Asus for more than a decade. Besides Super Micro, best boards
I've ever owned and I've used dozens or more building OEM machines.
MSI is cheap board, just pulled one out of a 3 year old eMachine and
replaced it with an Asus.
That's my call from 15 years of building experience.
--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse
== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 10:07 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"
> Been using Asus for more than a decade. Besides
> Super Micro, best boards I've owned. I've used
> dozens or more building OEM machines.
My machine uses an ASUS P4T, purchased in late 2001. Been running fine ever
since. My next desktop will have an ASUS board, and if I ever buy a
notebook, it will probably be an ASUS.
== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 10:22 am
From: Smitty Two
In article <pan.2011.03.18.17.00.32@lmao.lol.lol>,
Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:21:33 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
>
> > In article <pan.2011.03.17.20.19.42@lmao.lol.lol>,
> > Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I'd switch to Asus.
> >
> > Not my call.
>
> Been using Asus for more than a decade. Besides Super Micro, best boards
> I've ever owned and I've used dozens or more building OEM machines.
>
> MSI is cheap board, just pulled one out of a 3 year old eMachine and
> replaced it with an Asus.
>
> That's my call from 15 years of building experience.
All right, two votes for Asus. I'll suggest them to my customer, but I'm
going to have to be pretty gentle about it. Not all my customers welcome
design/engineering (or in this case parts specification) suggestions
from me. I'm just supposed to be the stupid guy who does what he's told.
== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 10:48 am
From: Meat Plow
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:22:43 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
> In article <pan.2011.03.18.17.00.32@lmao.lol.lol>,
> Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:21:33 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
>>
>> > In article <pan.2011.03.17.20.19.42@lmao.lol.lol>,
>> > Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> I'd switch to Asus.
>> >
>> > Not my call.
>>
>> Been using Asus for more than a decade. Besides Super Micro, best
>> boards I've ever owned and I've used dozens or more building OEM
>> machines.
>>
>> MSI is cheap board, just pulled one out of a 3 year old eMachine and
>> replaced it with an Asus.
>>
>> That's my call from 15 years of building experience.
>
> All right, two votes for Asus. I'll suggest them to my customer, but I'm
> going to have to be pretty gentle about it. Not all my customers welcome
> design/engineering (or in this case parts specification) suggestions
> from me. I'm just supposed to be the stupid guy who does what he's told.
Hmmmm... I never had customers who didn't go with my hardware
suggestions. If they opposed my suggestions there simply were asked to go
elsewhere. I've been asked to build with the customer's hardware on a few
occasions, usually a friend of a friend. I made it very clear I would not
stand behind what I though were inferior products and they should have
consulted me prior to making purchases. I'm not insensitive to your
situation, I've been there.
--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse
== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 11:14 am
From: Meat Plow
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:07:33 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>> Been using Asus for more than a decade. Besides Super Micro, best
>> boards I've owned. I've used dozens or more building OEM machines.
>
> My machine uses an ASUS P4T, purchased in late 2001. Been running fine
> ever since. My next desktop will have an ASUS board, and if I ever buy a
> notebook, it will probably be an ASUS.
I had an Asus M6Ne built for me back in 2003. Let my son use it and he
managed to break a hinge. I repaired that a year ago. Only problem it has
is that if it overheats from the air ducts being blocked, it will freeze
if you are using Windows. Didn't do that with SuSE linux, go figure.
The battery is still in great shape. Lasts about 2 hours as it always did.
Centrino mobile M architecture. 1.8 ghz scaling P4.
Current desktop - Asus M4A78T-E. 8 gigs Cosair XMS3 4x2 DDR3 RAM FSB
running at 1.6 ghz. AMD PhenomII 955 quad core overclocked to 4 GHZ. Pair
of SLI connected eVGA GeForce 285 - 1 GB DDR3 HDR 128 bit floating point.
Stability is impeccable. Video encoding approaches 20x with NVidia CUDA
support. and hour of RAW DV encodes in minutes instead of hours. I have 3
Seagate 2TB internal drives not raid just JBOD. An external eSATA 2TB
servers as redundant storage for stuff that will reside on internal and
external media until it is processed onto Blu Ray. And you might think
this thing would howl like a microwave oven but that's not the case. In
fact it's quiet. Everything is installed in an Antec server case with two
redundant 650 watt PSUs.
--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse
== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 11:48 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"
> Stability is impeccable. Video encoding approaches 20x
> with NVidia CUDA support. and hour of RAW DV encodes
> in minutes instead of hours. I have 3 Seagate 2TB internal
> drives -- not raid, just JBOD.
Just Back up Once Daily? I back up everything every two weeks or so to a
bootable drive. Critical stuff is backed up to a Zip every time a major
change is made.
> You might think this thing would howl like a microwave oven,
> but that's not the case. [Ouch!] In fact, it's quiet. Everything is
> installed in an Antec server case with redundant 650W PSUs.
Some time ago I switched from roller-bearing to ball-bearing fans. Big
difference.
== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 11:49 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"
> All right, two votes for Asus. I'll suggest them to my
> customer, but I'm going to have to be pretty gentle
> about it. Not all my customers welcome design/
> engineering (or in this case parts specification)
> suggestions from me. I'm just supposed to be the
> stupid guy who does what he's told.
Until something goes wrong and /you're/ held responsible.
== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 12:08 pm
From: Smitty Two
In article <pan.2011.03.18.17.47.44@lmao.lol.lol>,
Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:22:43 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
>
> > In article <pan.2011.03.18.17.00.32@lmao.lol.lol>,
> > Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:21:33 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <pan.2011.03.17.20.19.42@lmao.lol.lol>,
> >> > Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> I'd switch to Asus.
> >> >
> >> > Not my call.
> >>
> >> Been using Asus for more than a decade. Besides Super Micro, best
> >> boards I've ever owned and I've used dozens or more building OEM
> >> machines.
> >>
> >> MSI is cheap board, just pulled one out of a 3 year old eMachine and
> >> replaced it with an Asus.
> >>
> >> That's my call from 15 years of building experience.
> >
> > All right, two votes for Asus. I'll suggest them to my customer, but I'm
> > going to have to be pretty gentle about it. Not all my customers welcome
> > design/engineering (or in this case parts specification) suggestions
> > from me. I'm just supposed to be the stupid guy who does what he's told.
>
> Hmmmm... I never had customers who didn't go with my hardware
> suggestions. If they opposed my suggestions there simply were asked to go
> elsewhere. I've been asked to build with the customer's hardware on a few
> occasions, usually a friend of a friend. I made it very clear I would not
> stand behind what I though were inferior products and they should have
> consulted me prior to making purchases. I'm not insensitive to your
> situation, I've been there.
I do some product design, but the bulk of my business is assembly work,
and I've lost customers by making suggestions that offended someone. In
this case, I get paid whether the MB RAM slots work or not, and I get
paid again to replace the bad MBs, so it's not really in my best
interest to make an issue of component selection or tell the customer to
go elsewhere. If I put in all the parts correctly and get the single
beep, the invoice goes out. I do not install OS or hook computer up to a
monitor. Customer does that and assumes responsibility for the thing.
Still, if I can improve the reliability of his product, I might gain
some respect. Just have to put on my best diplomacy suit with this guy,
because he loves to micro-manage.
== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 1:17 pm
From: Mike Paff
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:48:18 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Stability is impeccable. Video encoding approaches 20x
>> with NVidia CUDA support. and hour of RAW DV encodes
>> in minutes instead of hours. I have 3 Seagate 2TB internal
>> drives -- not raid, just JBOD.
>
>Just Back up Once Daily? I back up everything every two weeks or so to a
>bootable drive. Critical stuff is backed up to a Zip every time a major
>change is made.
>
Just a Bunch Of Disks
== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 1:52 pm
From: Meat Plow
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:08:34 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
> In article <pan.2011.03.18.17.47.44@lmao.lol.lol>,
> Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:22:43 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
>>
>> > In article <pan.2011.03.18.17.00.32@lmao.lol.lol>,
>> > Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:21:33 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > In article <pan.2011.03.17.20.19.42@lmao.lol.lol>,
>> >> > Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> I'd switch to Asus.
>> >> >
>> >> > Not my call.
>> >>
>> >> Been using Asus for more than a decade. Besides Super Micro, best
>> >> boards I've ever owned and I've used dozens or more building OEM
>> >> machines.
>> >>
>> >> MSI is cheap board, just pulled one out of a 3 year old eMachine and
>> >> replaced it with an Asus.
>> >>
>> >> That's my call from 15 years of building experience.
>> >
>> > All right, two votes for Asus. I'll suggest them to my customer, but
>> > I'm going to have to be pretty gentle about it. Not all my customers
>> > welcome design/engineering (or in this case parts specification)
>> > suggestions from me. I'm just supposed to be the stupid guy who does
>> > what he's told.
>>
>> Hmmmm... I never had customers who didn't go with my hardware
>> suggestions. If they opposed my suggestions there simply were asked to
>> go elsewhere. I've been asked to build with the customer's hardware on
>> a few occasions, usually a friend of a friend. I made it very clear I
>> would not stand behind what I though were inferior products and they
>> should have consulted me prior to making purchases. I'm not insensitive
>> to your situation, I've been there.
>
> I do some product design, but the bulk of my business is assembly work,
> and I've lost customers by making suggestions that offended someone. In
> this case, I get paid whether the MB RAM slots work or not, and I get
> paid again to replace the bad MBs, so it's not really in my best
> interest to make an issue of component selection or tell the customer to
> go elsewhere. If I put in all the parts correctly and get the single
> beep, the invoice goes out. I do not install OS or hook computer up to a
> monitor. Customer does that and assumes responsibility for the thing.
>
> Still, if I can improve the reliability of his product, I might gain
> some respect. Just have to put on my best diplomacy suit with this guy,
> because he loves to micro-manage.
Well you're in a totally different situation than I. But I could not in
good faith allow equipment that I knew was faulty in some way even
thought it didn't affect its pre-designed use in your case, one of say
three ram slots didn't work. That usually comes back to bit you in the ass
sooner or later.
--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse
== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 2:01 pm
From: Meat Plow
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:48:18 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>> Stability is impeccable. Video encoding approaches 20x with NVidia CUDA
>> support. and hour of RAW DV encodes in minutes instead of hours. I have
>> 3 Seagate 2TB internal drives -- not raid, just JBOD.
>
> Just Back up Once Daily? I back up everything every two weeks or so to a
> bootable drive. Critical stuff is backed up to a Zip every time a major
> change is made.
Things in the work are stored on internal and external. Dual redundancy
hasn't let me down yet. I don't give a shit about the operating system,
that can be installed and back to work in an hour. I try my best to
finish videos for customers as soon as possible, once they are on optical
media I delete the data but I do keep configuration files. Those go to my
storage server that backs up every morning at 3am. Basically just copies
the main disc to a hidden disc of the same size. Main disc fails and the
server does a failover and send me an email.
>
>> You might think this thing would howl like a microwave oven, but that's
>> not the case. [Ouch!] In fact, it's quiet. Everything is installed in
>> an Antec server case with redundant 650W PSUs.
>
> Some time ago I switched from roller-bearing to ball-bearing fans. Big
> difference.
I've never seen a roller bearing fan. Just the old bronze block bearing
impregnated with lube and roller. I use 120mm JMC Datatech roller bearing
fans. The newer design has contoured blades to reduce noise and increase
airflow. Kind of like the Fan blades of a RR Trent 900 turbofan.
--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse
== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 2:03 pm
From: Meat Plow
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:17:57 -0700, Mike Paff wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:48:18 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
> <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> Stability is impeccable. Video encoding approaches 20x with NVidia
>>> CUDA support. and hour of RAW DV encodes in minutes instead of hours.
>>> I have 3 Seagate 2TB internal drives -- not raid, just JBOD.
>>
>>Just Back up Once Daily? I back up everything every two weeks or so to a
>>bootable drive. Critical stuff is backed up to a Zip every time a major
>>change is made.
>>
> Just a Bunch Of Disks
Heh didn't catch that. Old SCSI term for drives on the controller that
weren't configured for a RAID container.
--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse
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TOPIC: Marshall AVT275
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/081764ac110316ef?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 7:03 am
From: "N_Cook"
The front controls board is held to the chassis with standoffs held by push
fit ends into holes in the pcb. Then bush nut free pcb mounted pots and push
on knobs. Has anyone experienced the board dropping away inside. If the
limpet knobs work loose and then a bit of heavy handidness or knocking, the
pcb board will pop off.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 8:28 am
From: "Gareth Magennis"
"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ilvope$4un$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> The front controls board is held to the chassis with standoffs held by
> push
> fit ends into holes in the pcb. Then bush nut free pcb mounted pots and
> push
> on knobs. Has anyone experienced the board dropping away inside. If the
> limpet knobs work loose and then a bit of heavy handidness or knocking,
> the
> pcb board will pop off.
>
>
>
>
Nope, never. I should imagine the standoffs are good at their job.
The knobs normally prevent this and clouting a knobless pot smashes the pot.
Gareth.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 9:13 am
From: "N_Cook"
Gareth Magennis <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:sYednUA0HNCq5x7QnZ2dnUVZ8lWdnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ilvope$4un$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > The front controls board is held to the chassis with standoffs held by
> > push
> > fit ends into holes in the pcb. Then bush nut free pcb mounted pots and
> > push
> > on knobs. Has anyone experienced the board dropping away inside. If the
> > limpet knobs work loose and then a bit of heavy handidness or knocking,
> > the
> > pcb board will pop off.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Nope, never. I should imagine the standoffs are good at their job.
>
> The knobs normally prevent this and clouting a knobless pot smashes the
pot.
>
>
> Gareth.
>
>
Clouting knobless pots on this would guarantee the board dropping away
inside.
All that holds the board ,then, is 8 quartered pips into the 8 pcb holes ,
easy finger force to release .
Does make it a doddle to remove the pcb for repair, none of those awkwardly
placed triangular catch pieces or screws etc
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 4:50 pm
From: "Gareth Magennis"
"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:im00bp$vbv$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Gareth Magennis <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:sYednUA0HNCq5x7QnZ2dnUVZ8lWdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:ilvope$4un$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> > The front controls board is held to the chassis with standoffs held by
>> > push
>> > fit ends into holes in the pcb. Then bush nut free pcb mounted pots and
>> > push
>> > on knobs. Has anyone experienced the board dropping away inside. If the
>> > limpet knobs work loose and then a bit of heavy handidness or knocking,
>> > the
>> > pcb board will pop off.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Nope, never. I should imagine the standoffs are good at their job.
>>
>> The knobs normally prevent this and clouting a knobless pot smashes the
> pot.
>>
>>
>> Gareth.
>>
>>
>
>
> Clouting knobless pots on this would guarantee the board dropping away
> inside.
> All that holds the board ,then, is 8 quartered pips into the 8 pcb holes
> ,
> easy finger force to release .
> Does make it a doddle to remove the pcb for repair, none of those
> awkwardly
> placed triangular catch pieces or screws etc
>
>
I tend to come to conclusions through evidence.
I have seen no evidence so far of what you are proposing actually happening.
Gareth.
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TOPIC: pops v. cracks in a valve amp
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/b6ee9bc922049d4d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 7:04 am
From: "N_Cook"
I was hoping for learned opinion on diagnostic possibility of the f
characteristics of pops v cracks. Replaced the "heater" cap and no
re-emergence of pops , hopefully not a coincidence
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TOPIC: Transistor cross reference
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/6d311b79499b89d6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 9:00 am
From: jjb_at_northstate_dot_net@foo.com (KaplanB)
KaplanB had written this in response to
http://www.electrondepot.com/repair/Transistor-cross-reference-52549-.htm
:
Raymondj wrote:
I'm late to the party but did you ever find suppler for the T30G40
transistor?
I am trying to fix my cooktop as well.
I've had only one hit -- a sketchy one for Hong Kong Micyoic Electronics.
Haven't tried to contact them yet.
Thanks in advance.
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TOPIC: .02 mm pitch flex print PCB repair
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/c0c9b49a40f732fa?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 11:17 am
From: "Michael Kennedy"
"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ilqpo8$aqp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Michael Kennedy <mike@com> wrote in message
> news:HLidnR2ue5HHdR3QnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:ili9am$opp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> > Michael Kennedy <mikek400@crap.comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:waadnQx_0evQxebQnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> >>
>> >> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >> news:ilfaie$3pr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> >> > Michael Kennedy <mikek400@crap.comcast.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:VcydncYKZ9ShC-fQnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> >> >> I have a Plasma tv that somehow I managed to partially tear one of
> the
>
>>
>> I expected that I would be going back to Tokyo this weekend, but I am
>> starting to think that I will be buying a plane ticket back home to
> Florida.
>>
>> As far as I can see the situation went from out of control but possibly
>> managable to now I would say inevitable major nuclear disaster with a
>> very
>> good chance of exposure where at my apartment just outside Tokyo.
>>
>> Thanks for looking into this.. Right now my concerns are on my friends in
>> Tokyo who dont see the danger and arent leaving. They beleive what the
>> government is saying that there is no danger. Many people couldnt believe
> I
>> was leaving Tokyo for safety and wont listen to my reasoning to leave.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Has it been reported in Japan whether the tsunami colder denser sea water
> displaced the water in the storage ponds ?
> Then what reaction occured with the sea water to end up combusting, and
> then
> they started using sea water on the other reactors. Or did the pond/s
> crack
> from the eaqrthquake and loose water?
>
>
Over here all they say everything is under control... The second time it
blew up I was sure it wasnt under control. Once means it might be a
mistake.. 2 times means nobody knows what they are doing or its just out of
control.
They havent really been sharing the details but from what I can gather if
they had got the frigging generator working none of this would have
happened. Or flown another one in... Anyhow when I get some time I might
make an OT topic on this.
Mike
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 11:28 am
From: "Michael Kennedy"
"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ilqpo8$aqp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Michael Kennedy <mike@com> wrote in message
> news:HLidnR2ue5HHdR3QnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:ili9am$opp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> > Michael Kennedy <mikek400@crap.comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:waadnQx_0evQxebQnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> >>
>> >> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >> news:ilfaie$3pr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> >> > Michael Kennedy <mikek400@crap.comcast.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:VcydncYKZ9ShC-fQnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> >> >> I have a Plasma tv that somehow I managed to partially tear one of
> the
>
>>
>> I expected that I would be going back to Tokyo this weekend, but I am
>> starting to think that I will be buying a plane ticket back home to
> Florida.
>>
>> As far as I can see the situation went from out of control but possibly
>> managable to now I would say inevitable major nuclear disaster with a
>> very
>> good chance of exposure where at my apartment just outside Tokyo.
>>
>> Thanks for looking into this.. Right now my concerns are on my friends in
>> Tokyo who dont see the danger and arent leaving. They beleive what the
>> government is saying that there is no danger. Many people couldnt believe
> I
>> was leaving Tokyo for safety and wont listen to my reasoning to leave.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Has it been reported in Japan whether the tsunami colder denser sea water
> displaced the water in the storage ponds ?
> Then what reaction occured with the sea water to end up combusting, and
> then
> they started using sea water on the other reactors. Or did the pond/s
> crack
> from the eaqrthquake and loose water?
>
>
They hope the ponds are not cracked.. but they arent sure. But they have no
electricty to run the circulation pumps at the reactor or the storage
ponds.. So it heats up and evaparates away.
The explosions were caused by hydrogen gas which is apparently produced
when the coating on the fuel rods interact with oxygen. They got exposed to
air therefore there was not enough water in the reactors.
Even shut down these things produce a lot of heat.
At the moment I am in a hotel room halfway across japan from where I was. Im
going to rent a monthly parking space for my car tomorrow, and monday Im
headed to the US to see how this turns out.. I hate to run away and leave
all my friends here, but my family back home are freaking out and if I dont
go I could end up stuck in a tight situation also..
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 12:11 pm
From: Smitty Two
In article <ZvydnSoABsI7PB7QnZ2dnVY3goudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Michael Kennedy" <mike@com> wrote:
> Anyhow when I get some time I might
> make an OT topic on this.
Several OT threads going on over in a.h.r. if you're interested. I'd be
on that plane if I were you.
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TOPIC: Hotpoint WF 321
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/9050cc7fc96f912c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 3:32 pm
From: Jack00
All the front lights flash on the washing machine. I checked the
filter at the back and its ok.
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TOPIC: Beaner beats her child to death with a spatula
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/17d6bafc76478f13?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 4:23 pm
From: Michael Gross
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51461977-76/beating-lake-salt-admits.html.csp
A South Salt Lake woman on Friday admitted to fatally beating her
5-year-old daughter last year.
Angeles Cadillo-Castro, 32, was initially charged with first-degree
felony murder for the July 27 death of the victim, identified in court
documents only as "S.G.E."
Murder is punishable by a prison term of 15 years to life. But
Cadillo-Castro pleaded guilty in 3rd District Court to a lesser charge
of child-abuse homicide, which is punishable by five years to life.
Sentencing is set for May 13 before Judge Judith Atherton.
A spatula likely was used to beat the girl, according to a search
warrant. She had bruising across her body "consistent with a severe and
prolonged assault," police said.
Stephen Hunt
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