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* Lead free solder - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Foregoing warranty rights - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Mopar model 812 car radio, (early 1950's Chrysler product) - 2 messages, 1
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TOPIC: Lead free solder
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/7ff46ef49e9b7de3?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 7:04 pm
From: Cydrome Leader

Phil Allison <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
> "Adrian Tuddenham"
>
>>> Of course. The increased number of failures due solely to solder
>>> joints has kept many a service department busy. Reworking with
>>> "decent" solder is the simplest treatment.
>>
>> Not in Europe it isn't. There are heavy fines for doing that.
>
>
> ** The fines may exist in theory, but can you show if anyone has been fined
> for using the wrong solder for repairs ?
>
> There are many obvious, simple defences to such a charge and almost no way
> to get caught.
>
> Get real.
>
>
> ..... Phil

Europeans are the biggest whining sissies on the planet. There's simply no
other way to put it.

I'm in the US, we can do whatever we want with lead.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 7:20 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Cydrome Leader"

> Europeans are the biggest whining sissies on the planet. There's simply no
> other way to put it.
>
> I'm in the US, we can do whatever we want with lead.
>

** As Steve McQueen said in "The Magnificent Seven"

" We deal in lead, friend. "

..... Phil

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TOPIC: Foregoing warranty rights
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/db33289fb500ca5c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 7:32 pm
From: Cydrome Leader

Phil Allison <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
> "Jeff Liebermann"
> " Jeff Urban"
>>
>>>If they need it and you fix it, and they pay you - WHAT
>>>is disreputable about that ?
>>
>> The lack of a certificate from the manufacturer attesting to my
>> competence.
>
> ** ROTFL - I doubt there is even one importer or manufacturer in Australia
> capable of making that determination with any accuracy. After all, how
> would any of them know ?? They are NOT operating repair businesses, have
> no understanding of them and generally take no interest in the topic.
>
> Anecdote:
>
> One time, back in the 80s, I worked for a repair business that had
> "authorised" service arrangements for several brands of guitar amp -
> including Marshall, Acoustic and ELFA.
>
> The Greek lunatic who imported Acoustic into Australia decided that he could
> " micro-manage " the servicing of his brand by making up " kits " of spare
> parts that all service techs would have to buy to repair various classes of
> fault. All one needed to do was tell HIM the fault scenario and he would
> nominate the kit that you needed to purchase. Ordering individual parts as
> required was simply no longer an option.
>
> He claimed to me on the phone that all the auto importers and makers were
> doing the same thing and it was more " efficient ". Soooo, I told him about
> the fault in the unit I had on the bench - that it suffered from loud,
> very intermittent crackling noises. After a long pause, he said to ship the
> unit down to him, in Melbourne, 500 miles away.
>
> The boss and I did no such stupid thing, of course.
>
> Anecdote 2.
>
> A Melbourne based maker of guitar amps ( ELFA) had issues with their latest
> models:
>
> 1. The quad op-amps ( all RC4136s) in the pre-amp section were from a faulty
> batch ( rejects?) with about a 50% failure rate in the first 3 months. The
> maker had earmarked all their remaining stock for manufacture and REFUSED to
> supply any spares to us for warranty repairs.
>
> 2. Some nut case, probably as an after thought, had fitted stereo headphone
> sockets to the amps with no series limiting resistors. The left and right
> earphone connections were simply linked to the internal amplifier module and
> the speaker connected itself when there was no plug in place.
>
> Soooo, soon as anyone plugged a mono jack into the headphone socket - bang
> went the Sanken 60 watt amp module inside. Then, soon as the mono plug was
> removed, a 40 volt DC rail was linked to the 12 inch speaker and burnt it
> out.

This is great, I laughed out loud over this one!

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TOPIC: Mopar model 812 car radio, (early 1950's Chrysler product)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/3135639c17d6af1d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 7:33 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

klem kedidelhopper wrote:
>
> On Apr 25, 9:12 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > Meat Plow wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 23:44:39 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > > > Meat Plow wrote:
> >
> > > >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 15:23:00 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > > >> > A lot of old car radios used a 262.5 KHz IF to prevent image
> > > >> > problems
> > > >> > at 910 KHz. 262.5 KHz puts them all out of band.
> >
> > > >> Old being before what year? I was just a young pup learning back in the
> > > >> 70's so I don't recall a 262 IF. Probably too much LSD later on.
> >
> > > > Delco was still using 262.5 in the early '70s. I could repair most
> > > > of their mid '60s to mid '70s AM radios in less than 15 minutes. Some
> > > > took less than 5 minutes. I still hve most of the H.W. Sams AR series
> > > > manuals. The cheap Japanese radios used either 450 or 455 KHz IFs,
> > > > which caused problems on 900 or 910 KHz.
> >
> > > Well that makes sense. I got pretty good on the Delco stuff. Mostly bad
> > > tubes, suppressor caps, stuck vibrators, things of that nature. Tweaking
> > > the receiver I usually did by ear going through each stage from start to
> > > finish. Then the antenna trimmer once it was back in the vehicle. I'm
> > > sure I have an old tube radio and a few parts up in the attic. Used to
> > > have one on my bench for music.
> >
> > I gave away about 200 '50s through '70s car radios when I moved
> > south, 25 years ago. Now, most are worth $100 to $1000. :(
> >
> > --
> > You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
> > Teflon coated.
>
> I think I've run into "flaming" stupid before. That would melt teflon.
> Many years ago a guy handed me a short wave radio to repair adding, "I
> noticed that all the screws in those "can things" and holes were loose
> so I tightened them all for you". After we discussed what a full
> alignment, in addition to whatever repair he was bringing it in for in
> the first place would cost, he left with his radio and his tail
> between his legs.....Lenny

I've had them walk in the shop with the coil from an IF transformer
where they used an old Allen wrench. It cracked the cores, but they
kept turning till they ripped the leads of the coil form. The funniest
was some idiot who called to see what we charge to fix a car radio, and
told us he wouldn't pay our service rate. The next day he walked into
the shop with the electrolytic from a mid '60s Delco solid state AM
radio that he had literally ripped out of the radio with a pair of
channel lock pliers, with part of the PC board still attached. He told
us that he wanted to buy a 'vibrator'. "My daddy used to fix the radio
in his 55 chevy all the time, and he told me that it's always a bad
vibrator!" He didn't believe that his radio didn't have a vibrator, or
that the radio wasn't worth fixing. He must have taken it to every shop
in town after that, because we got calls from just about every other
shop in the area, telling us about the idiot with the damaged
electrolytic. :)

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 7:36 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Meat Plow wrote:
>
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:12:48 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> > Meat Plow wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 23:44:39 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >>
> >> > Meat Plow wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 15:23:00 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A lot of old car radios used a 262.5 KHz IF to prevent image
> >> >> > problems
> >> >> > at 910 KHz. 262.5 KHz puts them all out of band.
> >> >>
> >> >> Old being before what year? I was just a young pup learning back in
> >> >> the 70's so I don't recall a 262 IF. Probably too much LSD later on.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Delco was still using 262.5 in the early '70s. I could repair
> >> > most
> >> > of their mid '60s to mid '70s AM radios in less than 15 minutes.
> >> > Some took less than 5 minutes. I still hve most of the H.W. Sams AR
> >> > series manuals. The cheap Japanese radios used either 450 or 455 KHz
> >> > IFs, which caused problems on 900 or 910 KHz.
> >>
> >> Well that makes sense. I got pretty good on the Delco stuff. Mostly bad
> >> tubes, suppressor caps, stuck vibrators, things of that nature.
> >> Tweaking the receiver I usually did by ear going through each stage
> >> from start to finish. Then the antenna trimmer once it was back in the
> >> vehicle. I'm sure I have an old tube radio and a few parts up in the
> >> attic. Used to have one on my bench for music.
> >
> >
> > I gave away about 200 '50s through '70s car radios when I moved
> > south, 25 years ago. Now, most are worth $100 to $1000. :(
>
> Doesn't that piss you off.

I had a choice of bringing my tools, parts and manuals, or the
radios. I made a lot more money from using the tools. I hauled a little
over 17,000 pounds of tools, parts and manuals 1,000 miles, in two
trips. :)

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

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