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TOPIC: another puzzler
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/b80657d8be4c22cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 6:44 am
From: "David"

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
news:4dd3548d.36447387@news.eternal-september.org...
>The host acts as a leak of information. It might help to imagine
>an
>alternate game, where the host does not know the contents of the
>doors,
>and the game is void if the host reveals the car. This version
>puts you
>back to 50/50 when the host reveals a goat, whether you switch
>doors or
>not.
>***
>Not true. When the host reveals a goat whether he guessed or
>knew
>it was there makes absolutely no difference. You should still
>switch doors.
>
>David
>

If the host does not know, he might quite as easily reveal the
car.
You then can't win it. Do you guarantee yourself 2/3 odds by
switching
then? No. If the host reveals a goat by chance, the odds do
indeed
drop to 50/50.

d
***
Sorry, I disagree. Yes the host could reveal a car if he is
unaware of the situation. If this happens, the game was defined
as void. If the host instead reveals a goat, there is no
difference whether he guessed or knew the goat was there.

David

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TOPIC: Allison needs help kicking Meat Plow off Usenet
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/f8481990f5c47309?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 6:57 am
From: John Fields

On Wed, 18 May 2011 07:50:44 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2011 06:36:19 -0400 Spehro Pefhany
><speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in Message id:
><e787t6hnjei8k1orc9g7l844ntb5opa3da@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Wed, 18 May 2011 20:30:08 +1000, the renowned "Phil Allison"
>><phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"John Fields"
>>>
>>>
>>>** Do you know what " meat plow " refers to ?
>>
>>Something that furrow one's brow?
>
>A reference to the Stone Temple Pilots. I think.

---
"Shirley Temple's Pussy", actually.

--
JF

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 3:00 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 17 May 2011 19:27:27 -0500, John Fields wrote:

> On Tue, 17 May 2011 23:07:00 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhywattt@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 16 May 2011 03:13:29 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>>> Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Meat Plow"
>>>>
>>>> ** This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.
>>>>
>>>> Who will help ?
>>>
>>>
>>> No one will lift a finger to help you, Phyllis.
>>
>>I will. Phil, just forward my posts to support@altopia.com with complete
>>headers. That's really all you can do unless you plan a trip to Ohio to
>>blow my brains out. Here's some friendly advise, buy a one way ticket.
>
> ---
> Why do you want to take a sad song and not make it better?
>
> Phil's not so bad, he just has zero tolerance for bullshit and responds
> vehemently when he sees it.
>
> What's wrong with that?

Allison sets traps so he can come back and tell people they need killed,
are fuckwits, etc...

That's what's wrong.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 3:09 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Wed, 18 May 2011 06:53:17 -0500, John Fields wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2011 20:30:08 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>>"John Fields"
>>
>>
>>** Do you know what " meat plow " refers to ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>.... Phil
>
> ---
> I'd guess a penis.

Then you and Phil would be totally and laughably wrong.

http://youtu.be/ly1TYahH9wg

It's the name of a song by the group STP who I'm very fond of.

Lyrics:

fine place for a day full of breakdowns
takes more than a meltdown to show us how
throw a tack on the road, stop the meatplow
got a bullet but it ain't mine.

they got these pictures of everything
to break us down, yeah to break me down.
they make us hate and we make it bleed.

but I got a lover and yeah
she shows me how,
to understand it, yeah to understand
I got a brother and well
he show me how,
to make amends, yeah to make amends
with it
take a break from the mousetrap we call home
takes more than a message to make me smile
I can feel when she kisses me sleeping
but not when the news is on

Now back to the topic. I want to help Phil kick me
off Usenet forever. If he will just forward the
objectionable posts to support@altopia.com
with complete headers that should do the trick
if anything in the posts violate Altopia's
terms of service or acceptable use policy.

Other than that Phil Allison the sheep-shagger should
keep his fucking mouth shut and go cry his river of tears
elsewhere.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 3:12 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Wed, 18 May 2011 07:50:44 -0400, JW wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2011 06:36:19 -0400 Spehro Pefhany
> <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in Message id:
> <e787t6hnjei8k1orc9g7l844ntb5opa3da@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Wed, 18 May 2011 20:30:08 +1000, the renowned "Phil Allison"
>><phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"John Fields"
>>>
>>>
>>>** Do you know what " meat plow " refers to ?
>>
>>Something that furrow one's brow?
>
> A reference to the Stone Temple Pilots. I think.

CHA! CHING! A song off the Purple Album, Meatplow.

Claim your prize at the door. It's a picture of Phil Allison
stapled to a dart board.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 3:21 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Wed, 18 May 2011 08:57:16 -0500, John Fields wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2011 07:50:44 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 18 May 2011 06:36:19 -0400 Spehro Pefhany
>><speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in Message id:
>><e787t6hnjei8k1orc9g7l844ntb5opa3da@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>On Wed, 18 May 2011 20:30:08 +1000, the renowned "Phil Allison"
>>><phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"John Fields"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>** Do you know what " meat plow " refers to ?
>>>
>>>Something that furrow one's brow?
>>
>>A reference to the Stone Temple Pilots. I think.
>
> ---
> "Shirley Temple's Pussy", actually.

Never heard that one. An urban legend meatplow is a fat chic who wears
too small clothing. There is also an Ethyl Meatplow group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethyl_Meatplow

Around here I've never heard it used to describe a sex organ. But on
Usenet if that's the only weapon you have, it's used fairly often.
Being a veteran of Usenet flames and now having skin thickly coated with
Teflon, there is nothing left to say to me that could cause me
embarrassment. I have no shame here in Usenet. And you all go away
when I close my news reader application.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 4:49 pm
From: John Fields

On Wed, 18 May 2011 22:00:19 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow
<mhywattt@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 17 May 2011 19:27:27 -0500, John Fields wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 May 2011 23:07:00 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhywattt@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 16 May 2011 03:13:29 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Meat Plow"
>>>>>
>>>>> ** This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who will help ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No one will lift a finger to help you, Phyllis.
>>>
>>>I will. Phil, just forward my posts to support@altopia.com with complete
>>>headers. That's really all you can do unless you plan a trip to Ohio to
>>>blow my brains out. Here's some friendly advise, buy a one way ticket.
>>
>> ---
>> Why do you want to take a sad song and not make it better?
>>
>> Phil's not so bad, he just has zero tolerance for bullshit and responds
>> vehemently when he sees it.
>>
>> What's wrong with that?
>
>Allison sets traps so he can come back and tell people they need killed,
>are fuckwits, etc...
>
>That's what's wrong.

---
I don't see that, I just see someone who gets easily pissed when
misinformation is proffered as truth by the ignorati.

I've had more than a few run-ins with Phil, some when I was wrong and
some when I wasn't.

When I wasn't, I just offered my data or maybe a Haiku illustrating
the situation, and the confrontation was defused.

When I was, I simply admitted it and the confrontation was then also
defused.

No big deal; we all make misteaks.

--
JF

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TOPIC: What happened to my hard drive?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/5638540b7e458b4e?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 7:03 am
From: mike

Greetings to all you techies 'out there',

I'm wondering can anyone give me some clues as to what happened to
this Seagate 40 Gb hard drive I was messing around with the other day.

I was using Clonezilla to try to get a newly cloned XP system to boot
on a disk that previously had contained a few different partitions,
one of which had Ubuntu on it. I've used Clonezilla for this before
and it's worked flawlessly - but this time, on the reboot where the OS
is supposed to be initialized (or something), instead, rather than
offer the option to bypass the CD and boot from the hdd, it would go
back to starting up the install option of the XP CD;

The XP partition was the only one recognized by the XP CD, so I used
Part Ed Magic to delete the non-NTFS partitions, thinking that would
fix it, but instead the hdd acts like a brick now, and worse than a
brick, since whichever IDE channel it's plugged into, it prevents
that channel from detecting itself and any other device on that
channel (jumpers set to cable select), causing big time delay in boot
while the BIOS trys and fails to detect said items.

Since Bios can't detect the drive I can't try recloning or even wiping
the drive so I can start over with it - any one have any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Mikel

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 8:43 am
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Wed, 18 May 2011 07:03:45 -0700 (PDT), mike
<mlightner@survivormail.com> wrote:

>I'm wondering can anyone give me some clues as to what happened to
>this Seagate 40 Gb hard drive I was messing around with the other day.

40GB would make it a rather old drive. My guess(tm) is about 2002.
Check the label. Depending on operating conditions, that's probably
beyond the useful life of the drive. Incidentally, all 40GB Seagate
drives are not the same type. You might find it useful if you would
divulge the actual model number.

>instead, rather than
>offer the option to bypass the CD and boot from the hdd, it would go
>back to starting up the install option of the XP CD;

That means that the BIOS didn't recognize the hard disk drive. That
could be anything from a trashed boot record, mangled partition table,
mutilated BIOS settings, goofy 3rd party boot manager, or a failed
drive. However, if it prevents anything else from working on the IDE
cable, then you have the IDE ribbon cable plugged in backwards.

>The XP partition was the only one recognized by the XP CD, so I used
>Part Ed Magic to delete the non-NTFS partitions, thinking that would
>fix it, but instead the hdd acts like a brick now, and worse than a
>brick, since whichever IDE channel it's plugged into, it prevents
>that channel from detecting itself and any other device on that
>channel (jumpers set to cable select), causing big time delay in boot
>while the BIOS trys and fails to detect said items.

I assume you tried to power it on/off, checked the cabling, and
offered sacrifice to the hard disk gods. If so, it's dead.

>Since Bios can't detect the drive I can't try recloning or even wiping
>the drive so I can start over with it - any one have any ideas?

Yep. The drive failed. I've had it happen to me while working on the
drive. No guess on exactly what is failing. Is it going kerlunk,
kerclunk, kerclunk, at about 1 second intervals on bootup?

Try Seatools and see if it finds anything:
<http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools>
It probably won't if the BIOS can't find it, but it's still possible.
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 11:14 am
From: mike

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> 40GB would make it a rather old drive. My guess(tm) is about 2002.
> Check the label. Depending on operating conditions, that's probably
> beyond the useful life of the drive. Incidentally, all 40GB Seagate
> drives are not the same type. You might find it useful if you would
> divulge the actual model number.

Yeah, it is kind of old, the S.M.A.R.T. info says it's beyond it's
useful life, and has been that way since I got it about 5 years ago -
it came from machine that got 'burnt up' when the neutral went bad at
my neighbor's house. Used it in my main machine until I got some
newer stuff about a year ago, and up until it turned into a brick I've
never had any problem with it. Since I started using the newer,
bigger capacity stuff, the 40Gb drive has just been kinda for
experiments and testing out new systems/component groups ( model # is
ST340810A ).

>
> >instead, rather than
> >offer the option to bypass the CD and boot from the hdd, it would go
> >back to starting up the install option of the XP CD;
>
> That means that the BIOS didn't recognize the hard disk drive.

Or XP setup didn't recognize it, because it did show up correctly and
quickly on the startup screen as the
system booted

>That could be anything from a trashed boot record, mangled partition table,
> mutilated BIOS settings, goofy 3rd party boot manager, or a failed
> drive.

I suspect I deleted a partition that I shouldn't have, didn't know
that was possible...

>However, if it prevents anything else from working on the IDE
> cable, then you have the IDE ribbon cable plugged in backwards.

No, that's not it, double checked, tried setting as master and slave
and CS ,
cables are type that can only be plugged in one way. BIOS just hangs
there trying to detect , doing nothing, drive makes no funny noises,
or even normal ones but you can tell by feeling that it's spinning .

> I assume you tried to power it on/off, checked the cabling, and
> offered sacrifice to the hard disk gods.

Oh, yeah, multiple iterations.
> If so, it's dead.

Well darn, I was afraid of that, but was just hoping maybe there's a
program out there that lets a drive be manipulated even if the BIOS
had not detected it.

> Yep. The drive failed. I've had it happen to me while working on the
> drive. No guess on exactly what is failing. Is it going kerlunk,
> kerclunk, kerclunk, at about 1 second intervals on bootup?

No, no funny noises - my guess is I deleted a partition I shouldn't
have (without doing something else also), but you could be right and
it just happened to finally fail.
>
> Try Seatools and see if it finds anything:
> <http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools>
> It probably won't if the BIOS can't find it, but it's still possible.

I tried a couple different versions of Seatools, I guess when the bios
doesn't see it, other programs can't either.
Thanks Jeff

Mike

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 3:34 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Wed, 18 May 2011 08:43:54 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2011 07:03:45 -0700 (PDT), mike
> <mlightner@survivormail.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm wondering can anyone give me some clues as to what happened to this
>>Seagate 40 Gb hard drive I was messing around with the other day.
>
> 40GB would make it a rather old drive. My guess(tm) is about 2002.
> Check the label. Depending on operating conditions, that's probably
> beyond the useful life of the drive. Incidentally, all 40GB Seagate
> drives are not the same type. You might find it useful if you would
> divulge the actual model number.
>
>>instead, rather than
>>offer the option to bypass the CD and boot from the hdd, it would go
>>back to starting up the install option of the XP CD;
>
> That means that the BIOS didn't recognize the hard disk drive. That
> could be anything from a trashed boot record, mangled partition table,
> mutilated BIOS settings, goofy 3rd party boot manager, or a failed
> drive. However, if it prevents anything else from working on the IDE
> cable, then you have the IDE ribbon cable plugged in backwards.
>
>>The XP partition was the only one recognized by the XP CD, so I used
>>Part Ed Magic to delete the non-NTFS partitions, thinking that would fix
>>it, but instead the hdd acts like a brick now, and worse than a brick,
>>since whichever IDE channel it's plugged into, it prevents that channel
>>from detecting itself and any other device on that channel (jumpers set
>>to cable select), causing big time delay in boot while the BIOS trys and
>>fails to detect said items.
>
> I assume you tried to power it on/off, checked the cabling, and offered
> sacrifice to the hard disk gods. If so, it's dead.
>
>>Since Bios can't detect the drive I can't try recloning or even wiping
>>the drive so I can start over with it - any one have any ideas?
>
> Yep. The drive failed. I've had it happen to me while working on the
> drive. No guess on exactly what is failing. Is it going kerlunk,
> kerclunk, kerclunk, at about 1 second intervals on bootup?

The BIOS should recognize a drive regardless of the state of the drives
partitioning, formatting etc. The BIOS via int13 says hello to the
drive's electronics and it reports back its CHS, LBA etc.. If this
doesn't occur it is a problem with the drive electronics. I've verified
this by taking two identical Seagate 160 GB drives. One that failed to be
seen in BIOS and one that was making some weird noises. Both were out of
satellite DVRs. Swapped the drive electronics and the drive that could
not be seen by BIOS now showed up and functioned properly for a year
after. Just an FYI.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 5:10 pm
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Wed, 18 May 2011 11:14:15 -0700 (PDT), mike
<mlightner@survivormail.com> wrote:

>Yeah, it is kind of old, the S.M.A.R.T. info says it's beyond it's
>useful life, and has been that way since I got it about 5 years ago -

What kills drives is turning them on and off repeatedly. I have
machines where the drive is running 24x7, and they last many years. I
have an ancient Conner 1GB 1060S drive running in my SCO Unix 3.2v4.2
server since about 1985 without difficulties.

>( model # is ST340810A ).

I have a pile of those. They tend to have a short lifetime. I have
to dive into the paperwork to check the typical failure mode.

>Or XP setup didn't recognize it, because it did show up correctly and
>quickly on the startup screen as the
>system booted

OK. The BIOS recognizes the drive, but Windoze does not. There's
a chance that the drive can be revived if you wipe it clean.

Try one of the numerous disk wipe type of programs.
<http://www.dban.org/about> (what I use)
<http://www.diskwipe.org>
Stuff in the Windoze XP CD and boot it. It should ask to partition
and format the disk. After it's done, it will install XP. Much
easier with a clean HD.

>> Try Seatools and see if it finds anything:
>> <http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools>
>> It probably won't if the BIOS can't find it, but it's still possible.
>
>I tried a couple different versions of Seatools, I guess when the bios
>doesn't see it, other programs can't either.

Make up your mind please. When you go into the CMOS setup, does the
drive show up and is it correctly identified as an ST340810A drive? If
so, the BIOS sees it. If not, it's dead.

--
# Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060
# 831-336-2558
# http://802.11junk.com jeffl@cruzio.com
# http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS

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TOPIC: Recycling electronic waste.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/da679f4848b11be7?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 8:10 am
From: "N_Cook"

Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:saPAp.2815$A05.209@newsfe13.ams2...
>
> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:iqvrof$um1$1@dont-email.me...
> > Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:fUAAp.1422$f95.369@newsfe02.ams2...
> >> Taking your e-waste to the council tip doesn't allways mean it will be
> >> recycled in a lawful manner!
> >>
> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0116gw0/Panorama_Track_My_Trash/
> >>
> >>
> >> Most UK council tips are actually contracted out and the contractor has
> >> to
> >> sell anything anyone will buy to pay for disposal of the WEEE waste and
> > the
> >> home & garden waste in the compacter skips.
> >>
> >> Budgets are unsurprisingly rather tight and WEEE disposal invariably
ends
> > up
> >> with the lowest bidder - who most likely exports it to W. Africa.
> >>
> >> There is a way you can at least delay your unwanted items entry into
the
> >> scrap system; you can get rid of almost anything on freegle or
freecycle,
> >> although its good form to indicate if an item is not working such as
> >> needs
> >> att'n or spares or repair.
> >>
> >> If you want to sell the item there's allways Swapshop.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I watched that and yet again they failed to mention how this scrap is
> > reprocessed.
>
> No they didn't - they showed an example legitimate recycling firm that
> shreds everything and sends the fragments down a conveyor belt for casual
> labourers to pick bits out.
>
>

How do we know it is legitimate if the next stage in the process is not
divulged. Where did the CRT lead-loaded glass go to from there , where did
the bits of circuit board go to ?
Were TO3 devices or whatever has specifically dangerous contents , shredded
or removed prior to shredding?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 10:14 am
From: Cydrome Leader

In sci.electronics.repair N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
> Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:saPAp.2815$A05.209@newsfe13.ams2...
>>
>> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:iqvrof$um1$1@dont-email.me...
>> > Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> > news:fUAAp.1422$f95.369@newsfe02.ams2...
>> >> Taking your e-waste to the council tip doesn't allways mean it will be
>> >> recycled in a lawful manner!
>> >>
>> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0116gw0/Panorama_Track_My_Trash/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Most UK council tips are actually contracted out and the contractor has
>> >> to
>> >> sell anything anyone will buy to pay for disposal of the WEEE waste and
>> > the
>> >> home & garden waste in the compacter skips.
>> >>
>> >> Budgets are unsurprisingly rather tight and WEEE disposal invariably
> ends
>> > up
>> >> with the lowest bidder - who most likely exports it to W. Africa.
>> >>
>> >> There is a way you can at least delay your unwanted items entry into
> the
>> >> scrap system; you can get rid of almost anything on freegle or
> freecycle,
>> >> although its good form to indicate if an item is not working such as
>> >> needs
>> >> att'n or spares or repair.
>> >>
>> >> If you want to sell the item there's allways Swapshop.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I watched that and yet again they failed to mention how this scrap is
>> > reprocessed.
>>
>> No they didn't - they showed an example legitimate recycling firm that
>> shreds everything and sends the fragments down a conveyor belt for casual
>> labourers to pick bits out.
>>
>>
>
>
> How do we know it is legitimate if the next stage in the process is not
> divulged. Where did the CRT lead-loaded glass go to from there , where did
> the bits of circuit board go to ?
> Were TO3 devices or whatever has specifically dangerous contents , shredded
> or removed prior to shredding?

I'd love to hear about the "dangerous" stuff in a TO3 can.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 10:29 am
From: "Ian Field"

"Cydrome Leader" <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote in message
news:ir0upg$5le$1@reader1.panix.com...
> In sci.electronics.repair N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
>> Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:saPAp.2815$A05.209@newsfe13.ams2...
>>>
>>> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:iqvrof$um1$1@dont-email.me...
>>> > Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:fUAAp.1422$f95.369@newsfe02.ams2...
>>> >> Taking your e-waste to the council tip doesn't allways mean it will
>>> >> be
>>> >> recycled in a lawful manner!
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0116gw0/Panorama_Track_My_Trash/
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Most UK council tips are actually contracted out and the contractor
>>> >> has
>>> >> to
>>> >> sell anything anyone will buy to pay for disposal of the WEEE waste
>>> >> and
>>> > the
>>> >> home & garden waste in the compacter skips.
>>> >>
>>> >> Budgets are unsurprisingly rather tight and WEEE disposal invariably
>> ends
>>> > up
>>> >> with the lowest bidder - who most likely exports it to W. Africa.
>>> >>
>>> >> There is a way you can at least delay your unwanted items entry into
>> the
>>> >> scrap system; you can get rid of almost anything on freegle or
>> freecycle,
>>> >> although its good form to indicate if an item is not working such as
>>> >> needs
>>> >> att'n or spares or repair.
>>> >>
>>> >> If you want to sell the item there's allways Swapshop.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > I watched that and yet again they failed to mention how this scrap is
>>> > reprocessed.
>>>
>>> No they didn't - they showed an example legitimate recycling firm that
>>> shreds everything and sends the fragments down a conveyor belt for
>>> casual
>>> labourers to pick bits out.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> How do we know it is legitimate if the next stage in the process is not
>> divulged. Where did the CRT lead-loaded glass go to from there , where
>> did
>> the bits of circuit board go to ?
>> Were TO3 devices or whatever has specifically dangerous contents ,
>> shredded
>> or removed prior to shredding?
>
> I'd love to hear about the "dangerous" stuff in a TO3 can.

Beryllium oxide.................sometimes.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 12:03 pm
From: Cydrome Leader

In sci.electronics.repair Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> "Cydrome Leader" <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote in message
> news:ir0upg$5le$1@reader1.panix.com...
>> In sci.electronics.repair N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>> news:saPAp.2815$A05.209@newsfe13.ams2...
>>>>
>>>> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:iqvrof$um1$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> > Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>>> > news:fUAAp.1422$f95.369@newsfe02.ams2...
>>>> >> Taking your e-waste to the council tip doesn't allways mean it will
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> recycled in a lawful manner!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0116gw0/Panorama_Track_My_Trash/
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Most UK council tips are actually contracted out and the contractor
>>>> >> has
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> sell anything anyone will buy to pay for disposal of the WEEE waste
>>>> >> and
>>>> > the
>>>> >> home & garden waste in the compacter skips.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Budgets are unsurprisingly rather tight and WEEE disposal invariably
>>> ends
>>>> > up
>>>> >> with the lowest bidder - who most likely exports it to W. Africa.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> There is a way you can at least delay your unwanted items entry into
>>> the
>>>> >> scrap system; you can get rid of almost anything on freegle or
>>> freecycle,
>>>> >> although its good form to indicate if an item is not working such as
>>>> >> needs
>>>> >> att'n or spares or repair.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If you want to sell the item there's allways Swapshop.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > I watched that and yet again they failed to mention how this scrap is
>>>> > reprocessed.
>>>>
>>>> No they didn't - they showed an example legitimate recycling firm that
>>>> shreds everything and sends the fragments down a conveyor belt for
>>>> casual
>>>> labourers to pick bits out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How do we know it is legitimate if the next stage in the process is not
>>> divulged. Where did the CRT lead-loaded glass go to from there , where
>>> did
>>> the bits of circuit board go to ?
>>> Were TO3 devices or whatever has specifically dangerous contents ,
>>> shredded
>>> or removed prior to shredding?
>>
>> I'd love to hear about the "dangerous" stuff in a TO3 can.
>
>
> Beryllium oxide.................sometimes.

haha.

sounds scary. I better get the hazmat team to throw away my 1970s stereos.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 4:24 pm
From: b

On May 17, 10:28 pm, "Ian Field" <gangprobing.al...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
> Taking your e-waste to the council tip doesn't allways mean it will be
> recycled in a lawful manner!
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0116gw0/Panorama_Track_My_Trash/

this video by artist chris jordan has some extremely disturbing points
on the shameful wastefulness of the so-called developed world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXQDpdUpQgA&feature=related

some more at 38 mins into this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QosF0b0i2f0
- partuclarly pertinent when he looks at the ID tags and company
labels on the junk PCs.

Recycling is all well and good, but treats the symnproms not the
problem. What is really needed but not often addressed, is questioning
of the failed idea of constant growth as an ideal. see Serge Latouche
and deGrowth:
http://mondediplo.com/2004/11/14latouche

regards, B

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 4:26 pm
From: b

On May 19, 1:24 am, b <reverend_rog...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Recycling is all well and good, but treats the symnproms not the
> problem.

sorry - should read : symptoms!
-B

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TOPIC: service import
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 9:33 am
From: vengi vengi

http://123maza.com/65/Emetic580/

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TOPIC: Is MTS audio a victim of the latest cable company upgrading?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/60a2fa68004f3c17?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 10:35 am
From: "Deke"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3MWdnWsnBvpeFUzQnZ2dnUVZ_ogAAAAA@earthlink.com...
>
> Deke wrote:
>>
>> If you think the Discovery channels are boring, well, so sorry.
>
>
> I'm sorry that you don't. Goodbye. I have work to do.
>
>
> --
> You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-AidT on it, because it's
> Teflon coated.

I thought you couldn't work..oh well. And by the way, there's no T in
band-aid.
Enjoy your cable service.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 10:42 am
From: "Deke"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3MWdnWgnBvoUFUzQnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> Deke wrote:
>>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> >
>> > What storm?
>> >
>> The one that gives you signal disrupting heavy fog for three straight
>> days?
>
>
> You've never lived in Florida, or you would know that you don't need
> a storm to have heavy fog.
>
>
> --
> You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-AidT on it, because it's
> Teflon coated.

OK. But three days of fog heavy enough to disrupt satellite service?
Can't find anything on Google to support that. Must have been a bad
installation.
BTW, there's no T in band-aid.

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TOPIC: HOw To Make Fast MOney Legally
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/a38fc17b95afe5e3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 12:10 pm
From: "tmac641382@yahoo.com"

HOW TO MAKE EASY MONEY FAST AND LEGALLY!!!!!!!!
This seems to really have potential. This is the way the original post
appeared when I first found it. Read it all then decide for yourself.
It works for me! I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try
it. A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like
you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you
could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial
investment of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam",
but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Even though the
investment was a measly $6, I had three questions that needed to be
answered before I could get involved in this sort of thing. IS THIS
REALLY LEGAL? I called a lawyer first. The lawyer was a little
skeptical that I would actually make any CASH but he said it WAS LEGAL
if I wanted to try it. I told him it sounded a lot like a chain letter
but the details of the system (SEE BELOW) actually made it a
legitimate legal business. 2. IS OK WITH THE POST OFFICE OR IS IT MAIL
FRAUD? I called them: 1-800-725-2161 and they confirmed THIS IS
ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! (See 18, h sections1302 NS 1341 of Postal Lottery
Laws). This clarifies the program of collecting names and addresses
for a mailing list. 3. IS IT RIGHT? Well, everyone who sends me a buck
has a good chance of getting A LOT of CASH ... a much better chance
than buying a lottery ticket!!! 4. WHAT IS THE BUSINESS? You are in
the business of collecting mailing lists and recruiting new list
developers. These questions answered, I decided to proceed. The
instructions said that you have to send $1.00 to each of the 6 names
and address stated in the article. You then place your own name and
address in the bottom of the list at #6, and post the article in at
least 300 newsgroups. (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. So,
I invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!! Within 7 days, I
started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would
end soon, but the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made
about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over
$1,000! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still
growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just
over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth
$6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let
me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works. Also,
make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the
information off of it as you need it. I seems likely to me that if you
follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more money
than you thought possible by doing something so easy! Suggestion: Read
this entire message carefully! (print it out or download it.) Follow
the simple directions and watch the money come in! It's easy. It's
legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage) IMPORTANT:
This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; and it
is virtually no risk - it really works!!!! If all of the following
instructions are adhered to, you will receive extraordinary dividends.
PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or
more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful
because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. Please
continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. You
will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business your
product is not solid and tangible, it's a service. You are in the
business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are
happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made from
the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people
like you and me asking to be included in that list. Here are the 4
easy steps to success: STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and
write the following on each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR
MAILING LIST include your mailing address, the date and your
signature." Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the
6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope
(to prevent thievery). Next, place one paper in each of the 6
envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each
with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address,
and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS
ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service and you are
paying for it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little
worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with
the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is
indeed legal! Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses: 1.)T.
Dunn 722 Hopital Rd. Dawson Springs, Ky 42408,USA 2.) K. Carpenter
P.O. Box 5174 Rantoul Illinois 61866-5174 3) D. Stephens P.O. Box 512
Staunton, MI 24321 4) J. Zuk 13709 Flank March Ln Spotsylvania, VA
22553 5.) Cornelius Stewart 2821 Avenue b Fort Pierce, Fl 34947 6) M.
Wright Jr 9930 Richmond Kansas City MO 64134 STEP 2: Now take the #1
name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (6
becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on the
list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this
article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended
article to at least 300 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 32,000
groups) All you need is 300, but remember, the more you post, the more
money you make! This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer
to Title 18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws. PLEASE
REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the honesty
and integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to
the directions. Look at it this way. If you are of integrity, the
program will continue and the money that so many others have received
will come your way. NOTE: You want to retain every name and address
sent to you, either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes
people send you. This VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service.
(Also, it might be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to
reduce the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post is downloaded and the
directions carefully followed, six members will be reimbursed for
their participation as a List Developer with one dollar each. Your
name will move up the list geometrically so that when your name
reaches the #1 position you will be receiving thousands of dollars in
CASH!!! What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the
first six people listed above) Send it now, add your own name to the
list and you're in business! DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS
STEP 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and
drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy'
from the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into the
computer's memory STEP 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your
cursor at the top of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select
'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you
can add your name to the list STEP 3) Save your new notepad file as a
text file. If you want to do your postings in different settings,
you'll always have this file to go back to. STEP 4) Use Netscape or
Internet explorer and try searching for various newsgroups (on-line
forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.) STEP 5) Visit these
message boards and post this article as a new message by highlighting
the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill
in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they
scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click the
post message button. You're done with your first one!
Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different
newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take
about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU
POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM
OF 300 That's it! You will begin receiving money from around the world
within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the
large amount

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TOPIC: Shorted Computer Power Supply
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/326dbb3fa5e1a293?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 1:27 pm
From: KenO

I tried to connect a hard drive while the Computer Power Supply(CPS)
was turned on and the CPS blew.

The CPS is a ilssan model ISP 120SI from a eTower PC.

When I inspected the CPS components and PC board, found the fuse did
Not blow and only visible damage was a short section of burned wire of
one inductor coil. If you tell me how will post photos of the CPS for
your examination.

Searched the forum and found something similar. "computer power supply
shorted - no apparent cause of death"
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/browse_thread/thread/41dcf3e558d25914/bc6a0fb184aa060d?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=blown+computer+power+supply#bc6a0fb184aa060d

What was recommended was
1. "Check for fusible resistors (usually only a couple of ohms,
designed to go open rapidly and with no visible effect)"

Question: If the damage is not visible is there any method of choosing
what resistors to check?
Also Is there any way to differentiate fusible resistors from standard
ones?

Searched for a schematic but so far have not found one.

Thanks

Ken

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 2:49 pm
From: news@jecarter.us

"Connected a drve with the power supply on."

With the supply connected to the motherboiard as well? If so, the
odds of having damaged other components connected to the power supply
are so high that the power supply is the least of your worries.

Spend a few dollars on a new power supply - DIY repairs are not
something a novice is likely to be successful with.

John

On Wed, 18 May 2011 13:27:54 -0700 (PDT), KenO <kenitholson@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I tried to connect a hard drive while the Computer Power Supply(CPS)
>was turned on and the CPS blew.
>
>The CPS is a ilssan model ISP 120SI from a eTower PC.
>
>When I inspected the CPS components and PC board, found the fuse did
>Not blow and only visible damage was a short section of burned wire of
>one inductor coil. If you tell me how will post photos of the CPS for
>your examination.
>
>Searched the forum and found something similar. "computer power supply
>shorted - no apparent cause of death"
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/browse_thread/thread/41dcf3e558d25914/bc6a0fb184aa060d?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=blown+computer+power+supply#bc6a0fb184aa060d
>
>What was recommended was
>1. "Check for fusible resistors (usually only a couple of ohms,
>designed to go open rapidly and with no visible effect)"
>
>Question: If the damage is not visible is there any method of choosing
>what resistors to check?
>Also Is there any way to differentiate fusible resistors from standard
>ones?
>
>Searched for a schematic but so far have not found one.
>
>Thanks
>
>Ken

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TOPIC: Where is Klem ??
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/e9ebb396f18b6ba5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 18 2011 3:24 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 17 May 2011 19:30:48 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> Meat Plow wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 16 May 2011 03:09:03 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> > Phil Allison wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "klem kedidelhopper"
>> >>
>> >> > So according to you Phil, one needs to be "an obvious six toed,
>> >> > banjo plucking retard" in order to appreciate what a chemical fuse
>> >> > is?
>> >>
>> >> ** Not what I posted at all.
>> >>
>> >> Only the BIGGEST liars post their OWN words and then argue with
>> >> them.
>> >>
>> >> > I never learned about six toes, banjos, etc in electronics school.
>> >>
>> >> ** Because Klem is a congenital fuckwit and never went to school.
>> >>
>> >> ( snip rest of this anencephalic's absurd drivel )
>> >
>> >
>> > You are the most useless idiot on usenet.
>>
>> Are some idiots more useful than others?
>
>
> Yes, if you are rendering them for lard. :)

Forgot about that. I suppose they were very useful before Phil Allison
invented the electric light bulb.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

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