Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 16 updates in 5 topics

DaveC <not@home.cow>: Nov 17 08:31PM -0800


> I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but this is a question that a
> simple google search should give good results for. Have you tried
> googling for silicone and the other parameters you require?
 
16-conductor stranded, 24 awg or smaller, color-coded or numbered, single
shield (foil or braid), oil-resistant jacket. Please try yourself. I've had
no luck. I'm not saying one doesn't exit, but it's not easy to find.
 
OK, people–ready, set, GO!
 
Thanks.
DaveC <not@home.cow>: Nov 17 08:33PM -0800

> 16-conductor stranded, 24 awg or smaller, color-coded or numbered, single
> shield (foil or braid), oil-resistant jacket. Please try yourself. I've had
> no luck. I'm not saying one doesn't exit, but it's not easy to find.
 
And cut to order (no 100 ft rolls, please–I need only 12 feet).
 
Thanks.
DaveC <not@home.cow>: Nov 17 08:45PM -0800

> exposed to oil or coolant contamination, or will encounter high rates of
> flexing I only specify Olflex. It's more expensive than most, but a lot
> less expensive than failure and replacement.
 
I appreciate that this is, enviably, wonderful cable. But it comes in minimum
size of 20 awg. If only it met all my requirements.
 
My need is for a hand-controller (think Atari joystick)–carrying milliamps.
20 awg is overkill at the expense of weight, diameter, and (arguably) greater
flexibility.
 
Thanks.
JC <Chipbee40_SpamNo@yahoo.com>: Nov 18 09:15AM -0500

On 11/17/2015 11:33 PM, DaveC wrote:
>> no luck. I'm not saying one doesn't exit, but it's not easy to find.
 
> And cut to order (no 100 ft rolls, please–I need only 12 feet).
 
> Thanks.
 
Your best and cheapest solution may be to use a VTN-200 heat shrink to
cover your standard PVC sheathed multicore. VTN-200 shrink is chemical
and oil resistant and easily available. eg. Ebay # 251726064642 Might be
an idea NOT to shrink it as it is more flexible unshrunk.
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>: Nov 18 11:10AM -0500

On 11/17/2015 11:33 PM, DaveC wrote:
>> shield (foil or braid), oil-resistant jacket. Please try yourself. I've had
>> no luck. I'm not saying one doesn't exit, but it's not easy to find.
 
> And cut to order (no 100 ft rolls, please–I need only 12 feet).
 
I can get you everything but the 12 foot section, and from multiple
sources. There are lots of cables that fit your requirements. It will
be hard to find such a short length of a specialized cable. You should
look for a local supplier. I used to work in a shop where they sold all
manner of wires and tubing in short lengths... but then again that place
went out of business a long time ago.
 
--
 
Rick
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>: Nov 18 11:37AM -0500

>20 awg is overkill at the expense of weight, diameter, and (arguably) greater
>flexibility.
 
>Thanks.
 
The Alpha products go down to 26AWG ~ typical of com cables, with
twisted pair varieties. It's kind of difficult to determine the guages
in the Olflex info, due to notation method in product tables, but I'm
pretty sure they'll offer the same thing. By the way, PVC=Vinyl, oil
and chemical resistant or otherwise.
 
RL
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Nov 18 02:52PM

Ona 1983 Roland Juno 6 synth, so would like to keep original looking.
Easy to wire in some modern replacement.
One of those rotating arm , but slide switch action that used to be
common on amps and tapedecks of the 1970s. 3 position mode switch.
The arm that looks metal but is thin aluminium cylinder over plastic.
Broken away , and missing, from the internal rocking bit.
Switch action is good , but how to fit a shaft?
Cannot simple drill and tap/glue a shaft as there is a fixing/pivot rivet
that goes through that area.
I've sintride fine cone-rasped 4 undercut holes radial to this central
position. I intend 4 bend stiff wires and epoxy going in there , and a
thin walled aluminium pcb stand-off cylinder, that would normally take a
long bolt, slid over those 4 and then epoxied in aswell.
Anyone been here before, or better idea?
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Nov 17 06:25PM -0800

N_Cook wrote:
> how much extra noticeable hum?
> Was it just to save the cost of closing the chassis, at both ends, with
> expensive full thickness steel?
 
 
** The modern Fender "Deluxe" comes in two version, Hot Rod and Blues.
Fender made amps in the 50s and 60s simply called Deluxe, but these
were quite different to the above. The full name is printed on a metal
plaque on the back panel.
 
HR and Blues Deluxes are quite cheaply made, but have no serious flaws
aside from having fragile plastic input jacks. The chassis is folded
from one piece of steel sheet with the control surface nickel plated
and screen printed. Additional static screening is provided by self
adhesive foil applied at the ends and on the detachable back panel.
 
Most valve guitar amps have a fully screened chassis, often with
aluminium sheet or wire mesh attached to timber surfaces to complete
the job.
 
If this screening is missing of left out, the amp will make buzzing
noise when the volume is turned up - particularly if the room has any
fluoro tubes or dimmers. Shops with valve amps on display and demo
typically have fluoro lighting, so this can be an issue affecting
sales.
 
Lack of full shielding can also result in high frequency oscillation
at high volume and tone settings - due to close proximity of speakers
or guitars with poor shielding of the pickups and wiring. Some combo
amp makers routinely ground the speaker frames for this reason.
 
Supersonic oscillation can seriously damage a valve (or transistor) amp
so must be avoided.
 
 
... Phil
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Nov 17 08:59AM -0800

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:07:47 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid>
wrote:
 
>charging and discharging."
 
>I guess that explains the "Refresh" button on the SunLabz charger I got
>for these things.
 
It's a rather odd way to describe a unique NiMH phenonmenon. A brand
new battery will NOT deliver the full rated capacity until after it
has been charge/discharge cycled a few times. I've been told that
this is also a problem if a used battery has been stored for some
unspecified time.
 
I attempted to test for this at:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/NiMH/Energizer-NiMH-2300.jpg>
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/NiMH/Duracelll-NiMH-2050.jpg>
Note the increase in capacity after each run. I didn't bother
checking how many charge/discharge cycles were needed to bring it to
full capacity, but my astute guess(tm) is 3 or 4. I also haven't
bothered to research the chemistry behind the phenomenon. I probably
should also test some LSD (low self discharge) NiMH batteries, such as
Eneloop. I also should get off the computah and do something useful.
 
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"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid>: Nov 17 12:53PM -0500

Per Jeff Liebermann:
>I probably
>should also test some LSD (low self discharge) NiMH batteries, such as
>Eneloop. I also should get off the computah and do something useful.
 
I only read about Eneloop after I had ordered these things.
 
Something like a factor of six or something improvement in
self-discharge..... and I wish I had known beforehand....
 
Self-discharge seems like the major drawback to NiMH: you need it, you
haven't used it for awhile, and it's not there when you need it.
--
Pete Cresswell
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt): Nov 17 11:19AM -0800

In article <79qm4bp53prc8nnvska024fufrhg8hp2lq@4ax.com>,
 
>>should also test some LSD (low self discharge) NiMH batteries, such as
>>Eneloop. I also should get off the computah and do something useful.
 
I noted a similar phenomenon with the Eneloop (and similar) low-self-
discharge NiMH cells I've bought. They do benefit from a few
full charge-discharge cycles if they've been sitting around for
a year or so without use.
 
>I only read about Eneloop after I had ordered these things.
 
>Something like a factor of six or something improvement in
>self-discharge..... and I wish I had known beforehand....
 
Yeah, it makes a big difference for "standby" applications.
 
>Self-discharge seems like the major drawback to NiMH: you need it, you
>haven't used it for awhile, and it's not there when you need it.
 
There's a tradeoff. The low-self-discharge NiMH cells have a lower
capacity than "standard" ones of the same form-factor. I've seen
differences of 20-25% in practice. For high-quality AA cells,
the low-self-discharge ones I've bought tend to top out at
around 2000 mAh, while "standard" versions from the same manufacturer
run up to 2400-2500 or so.
 
So, if you tend to charge your NiMH cells and then use them
immediately (e.g. taking lots of photographs while on a trip) standard
cells are the way to go. For "standby" applications, low-self-
discharge cells work out better.
Allodoxaphobia <knock_yourself_out@example.net>: Nov 17 08:54PM

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:48:27 -0600, Jon Elson wrote:
>> the shelf ?
> How about swapping them out in the device every couple months? That might
> preserve them. I think if one is just left sitting, it will go bad.
 
That's what I do with the AA batteries (ENELOOPs) I use in several
cameras. Each camera uses 2 of'em, and I mark pairs of batteries with
unique colored bands of magic markers (sharpies). I keep the pairs
together -- in the cameras, during charging, in storage. I regularly
rotate the sets via recharging.
 
Jonesy
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"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com>: Nov 17 09:11PM

"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in message
news:ojuk4b1nkoqobks5tokapthppmi95igjvc@4ax.com...
 
> Fully-charged ?
 
> As they came in the box ?
 
> Something else ?....
 
As someone else suggested - rotate them in use.
 
Nickel batteries thrive on use, it was certainly the case with cadmium -
probably less so with Mh.
 
Even the allegedly low self discharge types self discharge, so they'll end
up flat in storage wherever they start off from, I have a suspicion that
stored fully charged may be more prone to whisker shorts.
 
A while back, the Lidl discount store had "ready to use" Ni-Mh cells, so I
bought a load. A pair of cells fresh out of the charger for my camera,
lasted just long enough to charge the flash - then the camera shut down with
low battery warning. Rotating the cells through other uses has improved
their performance.
"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid>: Nov 17 05:32PM -0500

Per Dave Platt:
>immediately (e.g. taking lots of photographs while on a trip) standard
>cells are the way to go. For "standby" applications, low-self-
>discharge cells work out better.
 
I guess the truly-obsessive could look at a chart of the self-discharge,
note where 20-25% happens, and then choose one or the other type battery
based on one's expectation of how long they will sit before use.
 
viz: http://www.stefanv.com/electronics/eneloop/graph.gif (from
http://www.stefanv.com/electronics/sanyo_eneloop.html)
 
Looks like the crossover point happens after about 20 days and the
regular ones need re-charging on a monthly basis to assure 50% capacity
when needed.
--
Pete Cresswell
Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com>: Nov 17 12:59PM -0500

In article <0clk4bptiatrincd97uo1uikgh4oovkonh@4ax.com>,
 
> I want to replace it. Is there an optimum length for such a wire? Is
> that measured from the variable capacitor? (I haven't opened this
> radio yet, but that's where I usually see antenna wires connected.)
 
Micky-
 
As others have stated, it is not critical. For nearby stations, it may
work without the wire!
 
The wire you want to replace would ideally be one quarter wavelength
long. But that length would be "ideal" at only one frequency. So
whatever you choose is a compromise.
 
Suppose the FM band covers the range of 88 to 108 MHz. The middle of
the band would be 98 MHz. A wavelength would be 300/98 = 3.06 Meters.
A quarter wavelength would be 76.5 CM or 30.1 inches.
 
Fred
thekmanrocks@gmail.com: Nov 17 12:37PM -0800

Fred:
 
When would it be appropiate to use
a half-wavelength or quarter as the
dimension of the antenna being built?
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