Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 14 updates in 2 topics

"Danny D." <dannydiamico@yahoo.com>: Aug 06 10:30PM +0300

On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 22:18:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
 
> Don't bet money on that. Kenmore can also be Electrolux (formerly
> Frigidaire) LG, Samsung, and just about any other appliance manufacturer.
> http://www.appliance411.com/purchase/sears.shtml
 
Thanks for that update.
 
The funny thing is, just as we dropped Netflix on principle, and just as I
dropped Sears Craftsman (Poulan) chain saws on principle, I told my wife
we'd get any fridge other than a Kenmore, on principle.
 
My point is supply and demand pressure.
 
If everyone stopped buying products that prematurely fail, they'd have a
downward pressure on poor reliability.
 
Yet, the moment I opened up the bottom of the new Whirlpool fridge, a
Kenmore build sheet popped out.
 
The only thing different is the name plate.
Sigh.
"Danny D." <dannydiamico@yahoo.com>: Aug 06 10:30PM +0300

On Fri, 05 Aug 2016 21:30:25 -0500, Mike Jones wrote:
 
> 3 Defrost timer has failed. This is more
> complicated and depends a LOT on the design
> of the refrigerator.
 
It must defrost on its own because I don't see any settings or buttons for
the defrost cycle.
"Danny D." <dannydiamico@yahoo.com>: Aug 06 10:30PM +0300

On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 22:34:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
 
> Many new units have dual systems. My Samsung keep each setting,
> freezer, refrigerator, center drawer at the exact set temperature.
 
We wanted a KISS refrigerator, just as we want a KISS washing machine and
dryer.
 
I remember when I was in college, we used the washing machines and dryers
in the laundry room of the dorm, where they pretty much had a slot for
quarters and a button for on and off (and maybe a water temperature
settings).
 
We wanted a refrigerator that was simple.
The only rule was that we would NOT reward Kenmore by buying another
Kenmore for the rest of our lives. That's a principle thing.
 
However, because of the layout of the kitchen, we were stuck with the
side-by-side doors so we ended up with a frige of the same type as the old.
 
We never expected it to be *exactly* the same though, since we bought
online and had it delivered. So we didn't realize that it was exactly the
same until it was delivered, and even then, until I took the backplate off,
I hadn't realized everything was exactly the same inside also.
 
Sigh. Fooled me they did.
Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Aug 06 05:13PM -0400

In article <no5e0b$rs0$1@news.mixmin.net>, dannydiamico@yahoo.com
says...
> Kenmore build sheet popped out.
 
> The only thing different is the name plate.
> Sigh.
 
Have not checked into it in a long time, but isn't Kenmore just the name
put on by Sears as Sears does not really make anything ? They could be
made by anyone.
 
Whirlpool is the name of a company that actually makes things. They also
have the Roper (think that is the one) line that is an economy line.
 
 
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"ChairMan" <no spam@thnks.com>: Aug 06 06:25PM -0500

Danny D. wrote:
> and relay.
 
> Even the shelves and wire racks were the same.
 
> So Whirlpool *is* Kenmore and Kenmore is Whirlpool.
 
NO. Kenmore makes NOTHING, Whirlpool, Samsung etc build for Kenmore and put
the Kenmore name on it.
"Danny D." <dannydiamico@yahoo.com>: Aug 06 09:33PM -0700

On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 18:25:36 -0500, ChairMan wrote:
 
> NO. Kenmore makes NOTHING, Whirlpool, Samsung etc build for Kenmore and put
> the Kenmore name on it.
 
So that means kenmore is whirlpool but whirlpool is whirlpool.
 
Good to know.
 
I'll never buy *another* whirlpool/kenmore then.
:)
Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Aug 07 10:11AM -0400

In article <no6dqb$tdu$1@news.mixmin.net>, dannydiamico@yahoo.com
says...
 
> Good to know.
 
> I'll never buy *another* whirlpool/kenmore then.
> :)
 
 
It means that Kenmore could be almost anything, but a Whirlpool is
Whirlpool.
 
One other thing, sometimes the internal parts of a brand name may be
made by someone else. Sort of like years ago the way a Jeep was made.
You had to know the day of the year the Jeep was made to know who made
the actual parts for it.
 
 
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Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>: Aug 06 03:03PM -0400

On Sat, 06 Aug 2016 10:54:16 -0400, nospam wrote:
 
> it's amazing how much useless nonsensical spew he can generate without
> ever finding the very 'facts' he claims to seek.
 
Funny coming from you ... who has never once told the truth.
 
Your URL simply says that, as I predicted, that Safari is primitive code
that doesn't even support the modern battery-status HTML5 spec which
debuted years ago.
 
Since your primary motive in using iOS is fear, this primitive code served
you well in this case.
 
However, your main approach is to "Just Give Up", so, that's why you never
once considered that there are more modern browsers out there for iOS.
 
You, like the Jolly Roger troll, never once added value to a single
conversation of fact. You can't actually add value.
 
That's because:
a. You're afraid
b. You want Apple Marketing to save you
c. You can only think of 1 way to do anything, and if that 1 way fails, you
"just give up".
 
It's an Apple one-button-mouse trademark term:
*"Just Give Up"*
 
Luckily, since you use Safari, and since Safari gave up long ago on modern
improvements in the HTML5 spec, just giving up has kept you safe.
 
Congratulations!
Hiding under the iOS rock has its benefits in safety after all.
Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>: Aug 06 03:05PM -0400

On 6 Aug 2016 15:14:06 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
 
> He's a piss poor old troll.
 
Says Jolly Troll himself.
 
Your contribution to this thread is .... what?
 
0 === troll roger
 
PS: Given your zero contribution ever, should we call you Jolly Troll or
Troll Roger?
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Aug 06 03:37PM -0400

In article <no5cda$ud1$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
 
> Your URL simply says that, as I predicted, that Safari is primitive code
> that doesn't even support the modern battery-status HTML5 spec which
> debuted years ago.
 
first you babble that the battery status is a 'privacy exploit' and
that it should be disabled, then when it's shown that safari is not
vulnerable at all, you call safari primitive.
 
you can't have it both ways.
 
not only that, but most of the browsers listed are based on apple's
webkit, so if you're going to say that safari is primitive code, you're
also saying that android, chrome and opera are just as primitive, given
that they also use webkit.
 
so much for your 'facts'.
 
 
 
In article <no2qpc$1d8b$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Aug 06 07:59PM


> first you babble that the battery status is a 'privacy exploit' and
> that it should be disabled, then when it's shown that safari is not
> vulnerable at all, you call safari primitive.
 
So lame. He's fooling nobody here.
 
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tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>: Aug 07 01:44AM -0400

On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 15:03:21 -0400, Aardvarks wrote:
 
> Your URL simply says that, as I predicted, that Safari is primitive code
> that doesn't even support the modern battery-status HTML5 spec which
> debuted years ago.
 
Indeed. Corollary: noone can exploit the battery-status spyware
capabilities using Safari; i.e., Safari (precisely because of its greater
primitivity) is a more secure browser in that regard.
 
I should have thought that should make you happy :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Aug 07 03:57AM -0400

In article <fc29vdq9fnqt.1jdyk7h5ghjmb.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
 
> Indeed. Corollary: noone can exploit the battery-status spyware
> capabilities using Safari; i.e., Safari (precisely because of its greater
> primitivity) is a more secure browser in that regard.
 
except that it's not more primitive because it shares a common codebase
with android, chrome and opera, just different forks.
Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>: Aug 07 07:48PM +1000

On 07/08/16 17:57, nospam wrote:
>> primitivity) is a more secure browser in that regard.
 
> except that it's not more primitive because it shares a common codebase
> with android, chrome and opera, just different forks.
 
By now, they're *very* different forks. There's been
close to zero cross-pollination for some time.
 
Can you folk please drop sci.electronics.repair from
the newsgroup list? Android v iOS discussions have no
place there.
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