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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: May 28 09:16AM -0700 On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:24:00 -0400, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:   >is "wrong". > Michael   >> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-RF-Signal-Frequency-Counter-Cymometer-Tester-0-1-60MHz-20MHz-2400MHZ/172396798620>   To get from 2400 MHz to 60 MHz requires dividing by 40. However, that doesn't seem to be how this one works.   Checking the prescaler chip from the photos, <http://img.yunqudao.com/UploadFolder/4f2543ab-bfc8-48f0-9aff-c49e51612b75/Default/40_6.jpg> I find a Fujitsu MB501L prescaler: <http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/61659/FUJITSU/MB501L/+4155-UwSHHTTVdRhCtYT+/datasheet.pdf> That's a 64/65 or 128/129 prescaler for a dual modulous synthesizer. I would guess(tm) that the eBay counter would use divide by 64 to get: 2400 / 64 = 37.5 MHz which is too low to utilize the full 60 MHz counter range.   However, there's a problem. The MB501L prescaler is only rated to 1.1GHz. How they claim 2.4GHz will remain a mystery. If I had this counter (and a clean workbench), I would probe it to see what they're really doing. I couldn't find a schematic.   There are some handheld counters that count to 60Mhz, and use a divide by 40 prescaler, which results in the proper frequency ranges: 2400 / 40 = 60 Mhz However, I can't find an example right now. The 40 is achieved with a divide by 4 followed by divide by 10, which I guess qualifies as a decade prescaler of sorts. As I recall, it was usually done with 2 ECL chips, which sucked plenty of power and were not cheap.   Here's another way to use a prescaler: <http://www.startek-usa.com/FREQ%20CTRS.htm> The frequency ranges are: 50MHz, 800MHz, and 2800MHz which correspond to: /1 /16 and possibly /64 Sorry, but no schematic or block diagram found.       -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: May 28 09:43AM -0700 On Sun, 28 May 2017 16:13:52 +1000, Clifford Heath >> as much of the low cost "modules" that I've purchased seem to have >> deficiencies as a result of crude design or cost cutting exercises.   >It was developed by a good hobbyist who posted everything online.   I couldn't find any such project. I suspect that it might have gone the same way as the various M328 component test meters being sold online. The original project was open source. It was then commercialized by various vendors with wildly varying pricing. Much of the stuff I've found was early versions of the board and firmware. Meanwhile, the project has done on to add features and improve the firmware, but the online stuff seems stuck with early revisions. This link includes some history: <http://www.instructables.com/id/AVR-Transistor-Tester/> I can't seem to find the original development site, which was in Germany.   >and before the main counter, with the inputs paralleled. I think >that affects the sensitivity (though I don't have measurements) >so for my 2nd module, I cut a track to separate the input paths.   If the amplifier is used to simply produce a square wave out of whatever it fed into the input, low gain might be a big problem. So will noise around 0v which is why a "threshold" adjustment is usually supplied. Getting such a simple amplifier to work from 0.1MHz to 2.4GHz is unlikely, which might explain the lack of sensitivity.   >manual gain control. A little difficult though, as parts of the >circuit are underneath the LED displays, so I'd need to remove >those.   May I suggest that you remove the input amp and setup something that give the prescaler a 50 ohm input. Then, design a broadband RF amplifier that has a chance of working over the frequency range. Something similar to a CATV or OTA TV/FM amplifier might be suitable. However, don't worry about getting a flat frequency response. Just take whatever you can get that produces enough drive to make the MB501L prescaler happy. A collection of communications freq range bandpass filters would be nice to prevent triggering on out of band junk.   >The main counter is a PIC.   I'm not PICky.     -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: May 28 10:30AM -0700 On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:12:06 -0500, Foxs Mercantile <jdangus@att.net> wrote:     >> You really need to buy one of the used service monitors.   >Like this for example: ><http://www.ebay.com/itm/272688535932>   Overpriced. Look at the prices of the sold listings: <http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=Motorola%20R2001&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1>   I have two R2001D boxes parked in my palatial office waiting for the mythical "spare time" needed to fix them. One has most of the red LED's on the right bashed in by someone dropping something heavy on the front panel. The other has a very weak CRT display, which is probably an HV power supply problem. Both have lock problems, which means it's time for a tantalum transplant. They've been sitting there for about 3 years. If I wait long enough, maybe the owner will forget I have them.   I have a few other service monitors. There are three SSI/Wavetek 3000 series service monitors in this photo, plus one more I recently acquired. Typical cost was $300/ea: <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/home/slides/BL-shop5.html> In the middle left, is an IFR-1500 service monitor (with an intermittent power supply). I paid $1500: <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/home/slides/test-equip-mess.html> There are several cell phone specific service monitors hidden in various corners.   Yep, service monitors are a good thing to have an use, especially in the field or on mountain top radio site. It has everything that you might need to work on radios including a counter. All have TCXO or OCXO reference oscillators for accuracy. At home, I have a home made GPSDO for even more accuracy.   However, there's a catch. All the stuff in the photos is from the 1980's which means that components are starting to fail. It's a continuous battle to keep these things running and usable. If you decide to invest in an older service monitor, be prepared to occasionally dive in and do some repairs.     -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

oldschool@tubes.com: May 28 01:19PM -0400 On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:57:35 -0400, Ralph Mowery   >YOu really need to buy one of the used service monitors. They can be >had for around $ 1000. You get a counter signal generator and many more >things.   I'll pass..... I'd first have to rob a bank anyhow, in order to pay for it, and I think the bank clerks would just laugh when I pointed a soldering gun at them... (Or maybe a glue gun, or a caulking gun) :)

oldschool@tubes.com: May 28 01:43PM -0400 On Sun, 28 May 2017 10:19:43 -0500, "Dave M" <dgminala@mediacombb.net> wrote:   >counter is capable of displaying.   >Good luck with your choice, >Dave M   I am now the owner of a C&C 150. For the price, and considering the specifications, I just took a chance in the dark (literally), since I drove to a local WIFI at midnight and from my car, I bought it. I had a feeling it would be sold if I waited until today.   I did find one of those discussion groups on the web, in which they were discussing it. Some guy bought one (on ebay) for around the same price I paid, and he was pleased with it, but did not know how to use a lot of the features and controls. Someone in that discussion posted a URL for the manual. (Not the same one you posted). This one: http://clayphillipsracecars.com/other/150-166.pdf (I bookmarked the URL).   This is the manual that's upside down, which I posted about....   (Apparently, others like this have been sold on Ebay recently). The discussion occured about a month ago). (There actually was another one being sold on Ebay, but for about $20 more, with shipping).   All I got to do now, is wait for it to arrive.... Till then, I'll read the manual. (and wont have to stand on my head to do it).   Thanks for the help!

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: May 28 01:58PM -0700 >http://clayphillipsracecars.com/other/150-166.pdf >This is the manual that's upside down, which I posted about....   Congrats on getting the counter. I downloaded the manual and found that *ALL* of the pages were inverted. No problem. Fire up PDF-Xchange and click on the "Rotate CW" button at the top of the screen. That should fix all the pages. Then do a: File -> Save As to replace the original with something readable.   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>: May 29 08:45AM +1000 On 29/05/17 02:43, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > the same way as the various M328 component test meters being sold > online. The original project was open source. It was then > commercialized by various vendors with wildly varying pricing.   Yes, that seems to describe it.   Google for Sanjian Studio (which is on the PCB) and you'll find an English translation of the manual. That had assorted URLs to www.hellocq.net where the many stages of this project's development was discussed. You have to log in to see the schematics. I subscribed, but my account seems to have now expired (I didn't get the spam that I expected from this subscription). So I only have the assorted files I downloaded, see here: <https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z91pqvcpg470tuy/AAAIRnVfRDqrbrJwA3yBVQVPa?dl=0>   > whatever it fed into the input, low gain might be a big problem. So > will noise around 0v which is why a "threshold" adjustment is usually > supplied.   Yes. High gain is a problem too, causing spurious transitions.   > However, don't worry about getting a flat frequency response. Just > take whatever you can get that produces enough drive to make the > MB501L prescaler happy.   Yes, except it's meant to be (and mine are) and MB506.   > A collection of communications freq range > bandpass filters would be nice to prevent triggering on out of band > junk.   Good idea.   >> The main counter is a PIC.   Earlier schematics show two 4-bit counters before the PIC, which by itself does not have a 60MHz counter.   Clifford Heath.

Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>: May 29 08:47AM +1000 On 29/05/17 02:16, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > which is too low to utilize the full 60 MHz counter range.   > However, there's a problem. The MB501L prescaler is only rated to > 1.1GHz. How they claim 2.4GHz will remain a mystery.   I assume the MB501 was 2c cheaper than the MB506 that the project was designed with. Find one of the many versions that actually use the MB506 instead.

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>: May 29 12:08AM -0400 > This one: http://clayphillipsracecars.com/other/150-166.pdf > (I bookmarked the URL).   > This is the manual that's upside down, which I posted about....   Just curious, is the manual a series of images of pages or is the text selectable?   I received a PDF document of an old PDP-11 listing from someone who wanted help typing it in. I realized when I clicked my cursor over the text it would select even though it was clearly created from images. Seems some software in the path (possibly my reader) was doing optical character recognition on the document. Most of it came through ok, but once in a while the slightly out of adjustment printer characters would be misread like a 9 for a 0, or a 0 for an O. Still, it saved a lot of time.   Anyone else see scanned documents showing selectable text?   --   Rick C

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: May 28 09:22PM -0700 On Mon, 29 May 2017 08:45:50 +1000, Clifford Heath   >I downloaded, see here: ><https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z91pqvcpg470tuy/AAAIRnVfRDqrbrJwA3yBVQVPa?dl=0>   Got it and thanks. Nice the way the download is packaged as a single ZIP file. The docs are in Chinese. I haven't tried Google translate on it yet. The new schematic is very difficult to read the text. I'm also having problems decoding the "forum description". It's readable imported into MS Word as Unicode-8. The photos of the PCB seem to be the old design, which lack the extra divider chips. This is going to be a challenge.   >> take whatever you can get that produces enough drive to make the >> MB501L prescaler happy.   >Yes, except it's meant to be (and mine are) and MB506.   It also says MB506 on both the old and new schematics. <http://www.qsl.net/n9zia/900/mb506.pdf> That's odd because it's a divide by 128 or 256 that goes up to 1.6GHz. At 2400MHz, divide by 128 yields 18.75MHz. I originally thought that it would need to use all of the 60MHz counter frequency range, but now I'm not certain. The PIC used is apparently slow, and won't go that fast. 18.75MHz seems about right for the PIC16F628a where the data sheet says it quits at 20MHz. <http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/devicedoc/40044f.pdf> The ForumDescription.txt file says that it's divide by 64 on the first page, but then claims that the low channel goes to 75MHz, and later claims that the prescaler is an MB501. Kinda looks like the ForumDescription.txt file is a mixture of the old and new designs.   Looking at the new schematic, I see that one bipolar front end transistor was replaced by a dual gate mosfet. However, it doesn't look like the gates were tied together on the schematic. The original schematic is tiny, but after enlargement, I don't see a dot where the wires cross.   Also, if you follow the signal path through the prescaler chip on both the old and new schematics, the higher frequency range input goes through the prescaler, into the DG MOSFET, and then to the PIC counter. If there is a sensitivity problem, it would only be on the lower frequency range input, which goes to the DG MOSFET directly.   >Earlier schematics show two 4-bit counters before the PIC, >which by itself does not have a 60MHz counter.   Probably correct, but I can't tell what those are. Also, I think you have it backwards. The older schematic shows no dividers, while the new schematic shows what I guess are dividers.     -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: May 28 09:36PM -0700 >while the slightly out of adjustment printer characters would be misread >like a 9 for a 0, or a 0 for an O. Still, it saved a lot of time.   >Anyone else see scanned documents showing selectable text?   Searchable text is a standard PDF feature, even with bitmapped text. PDF-Xchange has built in OCR (optical character recognition) that will read through the graphical text, do its best to convert it to ASCII text, and save the combined file. After that, you can use the search, select, edit, functions: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWtHOsIKaKw> <https://www.tracker-software.com/knowledgebase/351-How-do-I-OCR-a-document> The free version will do all that except edit and save the resulting text. For that, you need the registered version.   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: May 28 09:51PM -0700 On Sun, 28 May 2017 21:22:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:   ><no.spam@please.net> wrote:   >>I downloaded, see here: >><https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z91pqvcpg470tuy/AAAIRnVfRDqrbrJwA3yBVQVPa?dl=0>   I missed the translated user manual (in English). It shows a sensitivity graph for the high frequency range with the following comment from Pg 12: It is noted that the UHF channel allows measurements up to about 450 MHz. This path comprises a divide by 64 stage claimed to be able to operate to 2.4GHz according to the published specifications. It is therefore surprising that the sensitivity fell as quickly as it did. Looking at the schematic and layout, my never humble opinion is that the designer didn't know anything about RF design and layout.   The schematic shown on Pg 13 is quite different from either the old or new versions of the design that I previously mentioned. Instead of the extra divide by 4 packages, it has a 2nd DG MOSFET in front of the PIC counter. It also lists the prescaler as an MB506 which is divide by 128/256, not 64. It also shows that the gates of the DG MOSFET are NOT tied together.   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

oldschool@tubes.com: May 28 03:44PM -0400 What is the difference between a BASS Guitar Amp and a STANDARD guitar amp, as far as the circuitry?   I am assuming the speakers are made to better handle the bass frequencies, but are the circuits any different?   I am asking this, because awhile back, I bought a generic Bass Guitar amp for a price I could not refuse. It's a small soild state amp, with about a 30W output.(or is ist 50W, websites seem to vary). Has an 8" speaker in it. I mainly bought it to be used to test other equipment in my shop.   Anyhow, I'm impressed by it's sound quality. It does a fine job of reproducing both bass, and the high frequencies. It's only mono, but it has a nice clean sound and can get quite loud. It's just some off brand device, called "Gorilla". (model GB-30). (some worthless links do pop up on google). Made in 87.   Over the years I have played around with many guitar amps, and repaired numerous tube amps, but this is the first "Bass Amp" I have touched. When I bought it, I actually thought I'd have to change some capacitors in order to get the high freqs, but this amp reproduces the highs as well as the bass.   I have yet to find a schematic or manual for it, but it works, so I dont really need a schematic at the moment. (But I like to have one for everything I own). [If anyone sees one, pls let me know]   Then again, I always thought that the "Fender Twin Reverb" amps had TWO reverb tanks. They dont! Just one..... "Twin" is just the name of those models, and there have been many variations in that model over the years, and it has always been a big seller with good reputation.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Twin

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: May 28 06:32PM -0700 > What is the difference between a BASS Guitar Amp and a STANDARD guitar > amp, as far as the circuitry?   ** Bass amps are generally simpler with no reverb, vibrato or overdrive.   There are all kinds of bass amps, like there are all kinds of dogs.   In the tube era, a bass model would normally have a slightly larger output tranny and bigger speaker/s.       ..... Phil

Neon John <no@never.com>: May 28 05:07PM -0400 >Lately, when I buy a part, I usually buy 5 or more and keep them on >hand, so I have that stuff here. Its costing me more to stock all that >stuff in the end, but there is no way around it....   Quick! As fast as you can before it gets away, grab the nearest 9 volt battery. Preferably an exhausted one.   Now take your dykes and carefully peel back the case. Snip the two metal straps going to the connector on top.   Viola!!!! You now have a brand new, high quality 9 volt battery connector. Solder your red wire to the big terminal and your black wire to the small one. Apply a little liquid tape if you think it necessary.   You've now replaced your defective connector without having to drive to Rat Shack, pay a piddling amount of shipping from Mouser, etc., or whine about ebay.   >What once took a day or two to repair something sometimes takes months >now, because I have to keep waiting for each and every part I need.   Sounds like extraordinarily bad project management to me. Surely you don't order each part individually, do you? Hmm, maybe you do. Bad.   Because of our relative locations, I can order something from Mouser, select the cheapest UPS ground shipping and get it in 1 or 2 days.   John John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address

Foxs Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: May 28 04:39PM -0500 On 5/28/2017 4:07 PM, Neon John wrote: > Sounds like extraordinarily bad project management to me. > Surely you don't order each part individually, do you?   I used to do side jobs in construction. The plumber that worked with us ALWAYS had to make several trips to Home Depot for more fittings, and other things.   Finally, Jack, our foreman, asked him, "Are you going out of business? How come you don't have any inventory on your truck?"   > Because of our relative locations, I can order something > from Mouser, select the cheapest UPS ground shipping and > get it in 1 or 2 days.   McMaster Carr is almost over night. If I order before 9AM. Same with Mouser.   With a shipping charge of $8 for USPS, I ALWAYS order enough bits and pieces and extras quantities so I don't have to immediately re-order the same things.       -- Jeff-1.0 wa6fwi http://www.foxsmercantile.com   --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: May 28 09:57AM -0700 >a very nice person, but didn't understand the world of engineers much less >engineering. That wasn't her fault. Engineers can be very stupid when >dealing with people.   Among other things, I'm in the computah repair and support business. I've only laughed at a customer once, and it cost me the customer. I think this was in the mid 1980's when CDROM drives had just been introduced. I installed a 1X or 2X CDROM drive (with a CD caddy) in her machine. I had left her office and made a stop at a local shopping center for an ice cream fix. My pager went off and I returned her call immediately, suspecting that I had done something wrong. She asked me "how do I extract the CD disc"? After some initial confusion, I determined that one of the standard procedures were going to work. It took me about 10 minutes to figure out the problem. She didn't understand the purpose of the CD caddy and had inserted the CD in the only available slot. No, it wasn't into the floppy disk drive, but into the space BETWEEN the 5.25" floppy drive and the new CDROM drive. I couldn't resist laughing, which turned out to be a huge mistake.   I finished my ice cream, drove back to her office, disassembled the machine, and extracted the CDROM. I don't recall if I was still chuckling, but I probably was. She was very quiet and looked rather irate. The next day, I was informed by the bookkeeper that I should send them a closing invoice, and that it would best if I would not contact their office in the future. Oops. She apparently did not take kindly to my laughing, which suggested that I thought she was clueless.   Lesson learned. I no longer laugh at my customers mistakes, lack of ability, failures to learn, stupid actions, lack of technical abilities, etc.   More of the same: <http://members.cruzio.com/~jeffl/nooze/support.txt>     -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

oldschool@tubes.com: May 28 12:54PM -0400 On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:57:54 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:   >Lesson learned. I no longer laugh at my customers mistakes, lack of >ability, failures to learn, stupid actions, lack of technical >abilities, etc.   Damn it, I'm Laughing out loud from reading this. How could you NOT laugh at that one.....   My first thought was that she was a blond, and this would make a good blond joke, but normally, blonds have a sense of humor and can laugh at things like this. So, I guess you just met a plain asshole with no brains....

oldschool@tubes.com: May 28 01:08PM -0400 On Sun, 28 May 2017 08:28:53 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote:   >Depending on how PDF-Exchange works you want to highlight ALL pages and >rotate them together. Then see if you can save the file in the new >orientation.   I rotated the entire file (all pages). I did a "SAVE AS" to retain the original, in case it did not work properly. It worked fine. The saved file is an identical file size and views properly.   When I rotated, it gave me the option to rotate "Current page", Selected pages (by number), or rotate "ALL". I chose the "ALL" option.   Now I know why I like PDF-Xchange!   (By the way, I'm using their "portable version"). That's the only one that runs on both XP and Windows 98.

Mark Zacharias <mark_zacharias@sbcglobal.net>: May 28 11:55AM -0700 On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 11:48:11 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com > Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com > Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558   Press and hold Shift, and Control, then press + or -. Each repeating press of + or - rotates by 1/4 turn.

jurb6006@gmail.com: May 28 11:59AM -0700 >"Lesson learned. I no longer laugh at my customers mistakes, lack of ability, failures to learn, stupid actions, lack of technical abilities, etc."   Sometimes the laugh is worth the money. We had someone call the TV shop to ask if the people on TV could also see them. this was a long time ago.   Now the question isn't quite as funny.

Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: May 28 04:03PM -0400

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: May 28 02:15PM -0700 >>abilities, etc.   >Damn it, I'm Laughing out loud from reading this. How could you NOT >laugh at that one.....   The situation caught me off guard and I wasn't prepared. I also assumed that she couldn't hear me laugh in the pay phone booth. I was wrong.   At some point in the future, I ended up with an identical CDROM drive with the caddy thing. By that time, they were totally obsolete and nobody wanted them. I kept one on the shelf as a reminder to keep my big mouth shut.   Incidentally, the original 1X CDROM drive cost me about $150 in 1985(?). The only data CD that we had available was something like "World Statistics" which cost about $100. Times and prices have changed somewhat.   >blond joke, but normally, blonds have a sense of humor and can laugh at >things like this. So, I guess you just met a plain asshole with no >brains....   Nope. Like most small towns, Santa Cruz CA is ruled by a few families. She was the matriarch of one of those influential families. To them, I was a mere "tradesman", who should not be tolerated, and are considered disposable. I lost quite a bit of potential future business from well paying clients that day. Oddly, I still do work for 2 of the accountants who worked in that office, although both are now retired.   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

oldschool@tubes.com: May 28 02:02PM -0400 No, I am not buying another Freq. Counter. I only need one and I already bought that C&C 150. However, I had considered this one....   http://tinyurl.com/ycyh8odk   I'm just curious. I know some people hate Radio Shack stuff, but I have generally been pretty satisfied with their stuff, so I was considering this.... (Except since it's a "BID ITEM". I passed, knowing I dont have a chance to get it on my slow internet).

Foxs Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: May 28 02:35PM -0500 > However, I had considered this one....   > http://tinyurl.com/ycyh8odk   I kept one of those in my "kit" when I was in two-way radio field service. Quite handy.     -- Jeff-1.0 wa6fwi http://www.foxsmercantile.com   --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

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