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etpm@whidbey.com: Sep 30 08:48AM -0700 My brother's wife wants a small water heater under the kitchen sink. Not an instant hot water type but one that holds a couple gallons. There is a receptacle under the sink but it also powers the diswasher. I am concerned that if both the dishwasher and the water heater are on at the same time it will pop the breaker. I am looking for a device that will allow the water heater to be on until the diswasher starts drawing a certain amount of current, at which point the power to the heater would be turned off. The power to the dishwasher needs to be on all the time, only the heater should be switched. A switch for the water heater cannot be added. The solution needs to be plug and play and require no input from anyone using the diswasher. It seems to me that something like this must be available but I can't think of what it would be called and my brain is apparently too fuzzy this morning to get google to come up with something for me. I am willing to build the device myself if need be but a purchased product would be better. Thanks, Eric

tabbypurr@gmail.com: Sep 30 09:00AM -0700 > product would be better. > Thanks, > Eric   A relay is all you need. Remove the coil & rewind with a small number of turns of thick wire. Now when enough current goes to the dishwasher, the water heater is turned off. I'd use 2 relays the same, one to experiment, the 2nd for the final unit.     NT

"pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Sep 30 09:26AM -0700 https://www.bosch-thermotechnology.us/ocsmedia/optimized/full/o416419v272_Bosch_Indirect_Tanks_(1).pdf   It is called a "Point-of-Use" water heater.   Now, some Basic Electricity 100:   The POU *STORAGE* water heater draws twelve (12) amps at rated nameplate. The typical dishwasher with an exposed internal heating element is rated at eleven (12) amps.   We keep a Bosch that does not have an exposed element but does have an on-board flash heater, and so also uses 12 A.   There are two solutions that come immediately to mind. Use a at true instant-hot for your sink water - these devices, typically, run under seven (7) amps. Then, even if you feed the dishwasher from the same line, you would be in no danger of popping a 20 A breaker - the minimum that should be in a kitchen in any case.   Or, run a second line directly to the dishwasher. Which is the way it should be done in any case.   Note that instant-hot water heaters will give you all the hand-use water you want, and nicely support a dishwasher such as it will require minimal use of its on-board heater.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

Wond <lost@the.ether.net>: Sep 30 04:27PM On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 08:48:15 -0700, etpm wrote:   > product would be better. > Thanks, > Eric   If you are in North America, and that is a "duplex" receptacle, its likeley to be an "appliance" outlet, that is, each side wired to a separate breaker. Check the labelling in the box to find out, or measure the voltage between the two "hot" connectors. 230V means you're good to go.

"pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Sep 30 09:30AM -0700 > A relay is all you need. Remove the coil & rewind with a small number of turns of thick wire. Now when enough current goes to the dishwasher, the water heater is turned off. I'd use 2 relays the same, one to experiment, the 2nd for the final unit.   The good folk in Quincy, MA are recoiling in horror!   DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER this option, most especially if you have any other living things in your household.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

tabbypurr@gmail.com: Sep 29 11:02AM -0700 On Sunday, 29 September 2019 12:19:10 UTC+1, Cursitor Doom wrote: > > eventually became Motorola. They started making consumer radios, and > > then invented a record player that could be installed in an automobile.   > By God that must have taken some doing.   Cars had soft suspension & poor handling in the 50s, the ideal combination. Add a high tracking force xtal pickup and it ain't that hard. But they still skipped here & there.     NT

Bo-Lennart <bo-lennart.karlsson@telia.com>: Sep 30 01:16AM -0700 Den fredag 27 september 2019 kl. 19:48:15 UTC+2 skrev Bo-Lennart:

Bo-Lennart <bo-lennart.karlsson@telia.com>: Sep 30 01:33AM -0700 Den fredag 27 september 2019 kl. 19:48:15 UTC+2 skrev Bo-Lennart:   > Many thanks in advance   > Bo-Lennart Karlsson > Falun, SWEDEN   Thank You all for the reply. I understand that there would be easier if I could present a picture of the transfprmer. I have pics, but I don't know how to present them here in this group. I did some measuring with my L-meter, so I now know where the coils are. I'm pretty new to this group. Please tell me if I can present a picture right here in these group. Or can I present a link to eg. One Drive or DropBox or similar....   Bo-Lennart Karlsson Falun, Sweden

tabbypurr@gmail.com: Sep 30 03:19AM -0700 On Monday, 30 September 2019 09:33:35 UTC+1, Bo-Lennart wrote: > I'm pretty new to this group. Please tell me if I can present a picture right here in these group. Or can I present a link to eg. One Drive or DropBox or similar....   > Bo-Lennart Karlsson > Falun, Sweden   The newsgroup is text only. You can put pics in imgbb.com, flickr, any free pic hosting site.     NT

Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com>: Sep 30 03:50PM On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 01:33:31 -0700, Bo-Lennart wrote:   > I'm pretty new to this group.   Welcome aboard, friend! Unfortunately we have a few nutters here but take my advice and just ignore them. ;-)           -- This message may be freely reproduced without limit or charge only via the Usenet protocol. Reproduction in whole or part through other protocols, whether for profit or not, is conditional upon a charge of GBP10.00 per reproduction. Publication in this manner via non-Usenet protocols constitutes acceptance of this condition.

tabbypurr@gmail.com: Sep 30 09:00AM -0700 On Monday, 30 September 2019 16:51:00 UTC+1, Cursitor Doom wrote:   > > I'm pretty new to this group.   > Welcome aboard, friend! Unfortunately we have a few nutters here but take > my advice and just ignore them. ;-)   Everyone needs an ignore list or killfile.

Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com>: Sep 29 04:43PM On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 16:01:21 +0200, Johann Klammer wrote:   > supposedly also HF(acid). arirang TV has been reporting on it..   Vile stuff.       -- This message may be freely reproduced without limit or charge only via the Usenet protocol. Reproduction in whole or part through other protocols, whether for profit or not, is conditional upon a charge of GBP10.00 per reproduction. Publication in this manner via non-Usenet protocols constitutes acceptance of this condition.

danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com>: Sep 29 05:39PM >On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 16:01:21 +0200, Johann Klammer wrote:   >> supposedly also HF(acid). arirang TV has been reporting on it..   >Vile stuff.   They should have traveled to Philly:   [news story]   Toxic chemical at PES refinery mostly cleared, aiding probe of June blaze .... About 340,000 pounds of hydrofluoric acid (HF) stored at Philadelphia Energy Solutions' refinery was chemically neutralized ====== https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pes-bankruptcy-chemicals-idUSKCN1VK24U       -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com>: Sep 29 07:43PM On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 17:39:53 +0000, danny burstein wrote:   > Energy Solutions' refinery was chemically neutralized > ====== > https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pes-bankruptcy-chemicals- idUSKCN1VK24U   "HF can burn the skin"   ROTFLMFAO! :-D       -- This message may be freely reproduced without limit or charge only via the Usenet protocol. Reproduction in whole or part through other protocols, whether for profit or not, is conditional upon a charge of GBP10.00 per reproduction. Publication in this manner via non-Usenet protocols constitutes acceptance of this condition.

etpm@whidbey.com: Sep 29 03:30PM -0700 On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:43:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom >idUSKCN1VK24U   >"HF can burn the skin"   >ROTFLMFAO! :-D Yeah, I love how some stuff is understated. Like when all those lithium batteries in laptops were catching on fire. I read a report where the burning batteries were described as "venting with flame".

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au>: Sep 30 06:12AM +1000 On 29/09/2019 9:15 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote: > make up a patch lead that will enable me to probe the board under power > out in the open where I can get at it. It's a PITA, but there's no > alternative I can see.   **It's highly likely that HP made available extension adapters to suit their test equipment back in the day. You might be able to source one. Somewhere.   -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au   --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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