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Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Oct 14 11:46AM -0500 On 10/14/19 11:24 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: > Well what I found was a pile of accumulated lint wrapped > around the shaft of the wheel That's normal maintenance. Just like cleaning the gunk off the three bearing points on a trackball. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>: Oct 14 11:22AM -0700 On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:39:12 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" >>an e-mail message and a newsgroup posting. >I don't mind them doing so - as long as they _say_ they are doing so, >ideally as the first line! I would certainly have minded less if they said so, but I would still prefer that they didn't. >Yours more than the one that provoked me into writing the above, >certainly. Though sometimes I just hit reply without seeing where it's >going, You use Turnpike. I've never tried it and know nothing about. Might it send an e-mail reply rather than a newsgroup reply without your choosing to do so? I use Agent and it won't do that. >which is why I like a warning just above the .sig line; one I >quite liked was someone who inserted dragon into the email address, and >ended with "emulate St. George to reply", or something like that. If that's not exactly right, it's very close. I've also seen her messages, in another newsgroup. But she's inviting people to reply by e-mail, and with a very occasional exception, I don't want to do that. >And I suspect you don't use the fudged one for private emails. No, of course not. It's only for newsgroups. |
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>: Oct 14 11:28AM -0700 On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:33:57 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" >>liked it better than my Logitech, so I ordered one from Amazon ($20). >>It's now my favorite; I no longer use the Logitech. >(You must be right-handed.) Yes. It wouldn't work for a left-handed person. I don't know if there's a left-handed equivalent available. >one we enjoy, to some extent; there's great satisfaction, for us, in >returning something to working order, especially if the fix was >something trivial (especially if it wasn't obvious). I'm almost 82. When I was a lot younger, I used to like to repair some things, if I could. But I was generally poor at fixing most things. >enjoyable, and I just replace; that point varies depending on lots of >things - the cost of the item, how much I like it anyway, my mood, and >my age (I'm giving up sooner, or not starting at all, more as I age). I strongly agree with all of that. |
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>: Oct 14 11:34AM -0700 On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:24:38 -0500, Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> wrote: >fans plus many years concurrently as a sideline Doing radio, TV, >computer and all other electronic repairs. >So, Yeah, you might say I enjoy fixing things. Leaving aside the enjoying fixing things, I envy your ability to do. Sometimes fixing is the only choice, and I've never been good at it. >shaft of the wheel, Cleanded it all out and added a small shot of >contact cleaner to the bearings and reassembled it and now it works like >new again. I might not have succeeded, but that's the kind of thing I might have tried to fix. I would have suspected lint, and if my suspicion was right, fixing it would probably have been easy. And worst case, if I failed, I'd just buy him a new one. |
Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>: Oct 14 02:06PM -0500 On 2019-10-14 1:34 p.m., Ken Blake wrote: > tried to fix. I would have suspected lint, and if my suspicion was > right, fixing it would probably have been easy. And worst case, if I > failed, I'd just buy him a new one. I think you probably would have succeeded, It was fairly straight forward (no loose parts flying everywhere), Don't undersell yourself, I'm 85 and can still do it. Rene |
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>: Oct 14 02:45PM -0700 On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:06:36 -0500, Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> wrote: >I think you probably would have succeeded, It was fairly straight >forward (no loose parts flying everywhere), Don't undersell yourself, >I'm 85 and can still do it. We're almost the same age. I'm about to turn 82. But my thought that I might not succeed is not based on my age. I've never been good at working with my hands. |
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>: Oct 14 10:56PM +0100 In message <rde9qe97m884jpl40vt2jj2279lmlvsljg@4ax.com>, Ken Blake >On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:39:12 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" ><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: [] >>>>A couple of minor netiquette matters: when you send someone an email as >>>>well as posting to a newsgroup, it's considered polite to indicate [] >>ideally as the first line! >I would certainly have minded less if they said so, but I would still >prefer that they didn't. [] >You use Turnpike. I've never tried it and know nothing about. Might it >send an e-mail reply rather than a newsgroup reply without your >choosing to do so? I use Agent and it won't do that. Well, never without my choosing; in theory I could accidentally send the wrong one (the Followup and Reply buttons are adjacent), but I don't think I've actually done that in several decades of using it. What it won't do is send _both_ at once, as its designers felt strongly about that - irritating as I _occasionally_ _want_ to. >messages, in another newsgroup. >But she's inviting people to reply by e-mail, and with a very >occasional exception, I don't want to do that. Well, s/he's not exactly inviting, just pointing out that if you _do_ decide to send an email, that her email is munged. [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf You make it from scratch? Yep. Do you make your own scratch? -- "pyotr filipivich" in alt.windows7.general 2017-5-20 |
Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>: Oct 14 05:00PM -0500 On 2019-10-14 4:45 p.m., Ken Blake wrote: > We're almost the same age. I'm about to turn 82. But my thought that I > might not succeed is not based on my age. I've never been good at > working with my hands. Guess I'm lucky, my hands have been my living But my eye sight is piss poor, born that way. Rene |
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>: Oct 14 04:23PM -0700 On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:56:39 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" >Well, never without my choosing; in theory I could accidentally send the >wrong one (the Followup and Reply buttons are adjacent), but I don't >think I've actually done that in several decades of using it. The buttons are adjacent here too. I've occasionally done it accidentally, but I've always caught it and fixed it before I pressed Send. I use Outlook e-mail, not Agent's, so the Windows look very different. >>But she's inviting people to reply by e-mail, and with a very >>occasional exception, I don't want to do that. >Well, s/he's I'm almost sure it's a she, but I can't remember her name. > not exactly inviting, just pointing out that if you _do_ >decide to send an email, that her email is munged. I suppose it's technically not an invitation, but to me, telling the reader how to do it is so close to an invitation that I have no problem with calling it that. It's sort of like, "If you want to send me a check, my address is ..." |
Arlen _G_ Holder <_arlen.george@halder.edu>: Oct 15 05:44AM On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:33:20 -0400, Paul wrote: > The IBM mouse above, the microswitches look "normal" sized to me. Hi Paul, Here are more pictures of that IBM mouse, which I'm still using now that I refurbished it (although I had to glue a side stick on it to keep my fingers away from the right mouse button since it's a poor design for huge hands like I happen to have). Anyway, here are the pictures I took when I disassembled it: <https://i.postimg.cc/YCnQTjyX/mouse01.jpg> <https://i.postimg.cc/4yPYtFD8/mouse02.jpg> <https://i.postimg.cc/XNsNfFZD/mouse03.jpg> <https://i.postimg.cc/mknG0YCL/mouse04.jpg> <https://i.postimg.cc/3whH5J4v/mouse05.jpg> <https://i.postimg.cc/fTXw6P21/mouse06.jpg> The tilted LED simply lights up the middle mouse button (AFAICR). If you want, I can snap a photo of the side stick I glued on to make it less error prone, where I learned that it's critical for a mouse to have a landing space for your right-mouse finger to "rest" without being too close ot the right mouse button itself. |
Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Oct 14 03:14PM -0500 On 10/14/19 2:50 PM, Johann Beretta wrote: > Dude, you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Of course not. Arlen's the Usenet equivalent of a turd in a punch bowl. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
Arlen _G_ Holder <_arlen.george@halder.edu>: Oct 15 02:05AM On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 18:33:57 -0400, Paul wrote: > The patch antenna seems too big for > 28GHz. If it needed to be that big, the central lobe would > be too sharp to be able to aim it. Hi Paul, As you're aware, this isn't my first rodeo with trolls on Usenet, where, tactically, I respond as a mirror to their implied intent. Generally you are purposefully helpful, as am I. o So I won't quibble about your answer (as it was a fair guess). In addition, I will try to add technical value, as you tried to do. o Since I act as a mirror to perceived implied intentions. For that photo <https://i.postimg.cc/cHLndnbY/antenna.jpg> o That antenna was bought a decade ago, but it's similar to these: <https://www.streakwave.com/items.asp?Cc=ANT2%2E4FP> Where, a fair modern comparison, might be this $35 15dBi antenna: <https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=15-537> With the spec sheet as shown here: <https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/15-537.pdf> That antenna is simply connected to my router inside the house, which then beams 2.4GHz Wi-Fi signal at up to 600mW (about 27 dBi) <https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/power/mW_to_dBm.html> via this $80 radio attached directly to the back of that antenna: <https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=BulletM2HP-US> Note that for about the price of a typical SOHO router of about 15 to 20 decibels, this access point allows up to 27 dBi + 15 dBm = 42 dB, which is vastly more powerful than any typical SOHO router access point you've ever experienced in your entire life, I'd wager. I repeat what the trolls accused me of not understanding, which they themselves simply fabricated, which is that every 10 decibels is 10 times the power so for there to be that many decibels difference, is huge, at about the price as your normal consumer equipment is at the box stores. Of course, this stuff isn't sold in the box stores, most likely, so you have to simply KNOW about this stuff, which was, partly, the intention of this purposefully helpful thread. Bear in mind, the radio is always attached directly to the back of that antenna, as is the radio attached directly to the back of this 2.4GHz Wi-Fi antenna in my house right now. <https://i.postimg.cc/nrkz5mgs/antenna01.jpg> Likewise, the radio is attached directly to this 5GHz Wi-Fi antenna, Paul: <https://i.postimg.cc/yNXw0TZS/antenna02.jpg> Perhaps most importantly, this 2.4GHz WiFi radio is physically a part of the antenna - which means you can't possibly separate the two - they're one unit - which - of course - is why we refer to such things, colloquially - as "aim the antenna" will ya... <https://i.postimg.cc/CLBXc080/antenna03.jpg> Please look at that latter situation, Paul. If you remove the radio - the "dish" has a huge hole in it that does nothing, since the "horn" is on the radio, and not on the parabolic dish. The point is that the radio and the antenna are considered a single unit (and, in fact, are only sold as a single unit), just as when you buy a new car, the tires and wheels are sold as a single unit. And, more importantly when you're trying to help people get stuff done, when I write a tutorial for how to mount your tires at home: <https://i.postimg.cc/WzZW9MvT/mount07.jpg> You can assume, a priori, that everyone is well aware SUV tires & wheels are different, but they are always directly attached to each other. Just as when I write a tutorial for how to balance your tires at home, <https://i.postimg.cc/28JK2bFB/mount58.jpg> You can assume, a priori, that everyone is well aware SUV tires & wheels are different, but they are always directly attached to each other. The fact I'm trying to explain, is what you try to write something like a o Tutorial for how to balance your SUV tires at home o Tutorial for how to aim your WiFi antenna at home All you should need to do is mention just once that when we say o "mount the tires", it's assumed intelligent adults know SUV tires are directly attached to wheels Just as when we say: o "aim the antenna", it's assumed intelligent adults know WiFi radios are directly attached to antennas -- PS: You were close enough on the imedence match. |
Arlen _G_ Holder <_arlen.george@halder.edu>: Oct 15 02:13AM On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 02:05:17 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: > beams 2.4GHz Wi-Fi signal at up to 600mW (about 27 dBi) > <https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/power/mW_to_dBm.html> Typo. Since the trolls here can't everv add value, but can quibble about meaningless typos like squabbling little girls, that was dBm, not dBi... Likewise, with this typo... > Note that for about the price of a typical SOHO router of about 15 to 20 > decibels, this access point allows up to 27 dBi + 15 dBm = 42 dB Reverse the "i" with the "m" ... and add "EIRP", where this correction is necessary becuase the child-like trolls will have a field day over a typo - since they can't actually add on-topic technical value... > just as when you buy a new car, the tires and wheels are sold as a single unit. More correctly, since the trolls will have a field day noting there are four of them, let's just say the wheels, tires, and car, are sold as a single unit.... to keep the moronic trolls at bay ... because they can't actually contribute on-topic technical value - so they quibble like schoolgirls instead. -- The intelligent reader will note the classic trolls are being ignored. |
Arlen _G_ Holder <_arlen.george@halder.edu>: Oct 15 02:34AM On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 02:03:13 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: > PS: You were close enough on the imedence match. Yikes. In addition to the "dBi" and "dBm" thinkos... <https://i.postimg.cc/DZccY2YD/decibels.jpg> There was, in the sig, yet another typo ... "impedance" (not imedence")... Note the main reason for having to correct the typos is that those silly little girls on this newsgroup who have nothing to add, will endlessly quibble about the typos just like you see happening in this thread about "antenna" versus "radio", where, this set in my basement shows the antenna and radio can be considered one unit for practical purposes such as the instruction "aim the antenna, will ya". <https://i.postimg.cc/XJChDCPr/spare-access-points.jpg> As I noted with tires, those who quibble about the colloquial use of something as common as decibels would never get to the more important points, such as where we discuss in a tutorial how to mount the red dot <https://i.postimg.cc/Pqq6GGj6/mount09.jpg> versus what's different when we choose how to mount the yellow dot: <<https://i.postimg.cc/4yxSFpSp/mount57.jpg> Where the main point is that if we're trying to get something done, then quibbling about the fact that tires and wheels are different is something only those who have zero value to add, will quibble about. Sure, those trolls are MOST of the posts in this thread. o But the fact remains the trolls added _zero_ on topic technical value. Having said that, almost always, the Wi-Fi radios we're talking about are mounted directly to the antenna (just as SUV tires are mounted directly to the wheels), there are cases when the Wi-Fi radio is simply "close" to the antenna, as shown in this box I built myself a few years ago out of spare parts: <https://i.postimg.cc/DfQJq437/mikrotikrouter.jpg> In that case, the radio is "close" to the antenna, as shown in this picture which shows that the old desktop can be placed hundreds of feet from the house in the barn, and it will still connect either to the access points scattered about the property... <https://i.postimg.cc/Gh22Sb2N/desktop.jpg> Or, if needed, it can connect to access points literally miles away. <https://i.postimg.cc/VvqLKQtQ/wifi.jpg> -- The intelligent adult will note the worthless trolls are being ignored. (and yet, they still troll ... which is all they _can_ do ... it seems.) |
Arlen _G_ Holder <_arlen.george@halder.edu>: Oct 15 03:55AM On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:44:29 -0700, Johann Beretta wrote: > Uh.. Yeah.. Your "desktop" isn't connecting to jack squat. Hi Johann Beretta, Here's a shot of the barn desktop which shows that setup better: <https://i.postimg.cc/6QJqK6Cj/desktop02.jpg> Notice that barn desktop has no WiFi card; it only has Ethernet. And yet, it's connected by WiFi using this Mikrotik equipment: <https://i.postimg.cc/yx4CgWYt/mikrotik-router-config.jpg> Is that barn desktop connected to Wi-Fi over its Ethernet, or not? > When someone says "my desktop is connected to" the implication is that > you're connecting to something using the built-in wifi of the laptop. You are astute enough to be worth further detail, as you know what you're talking about (while others don't, so I simplified things for them). For you, we can dive directly into the actual unexemplified details. o Here is a more explicitly detailed set of pictures & screenshots & specs. My desktop, at this very moment, doesn't even have built-in Wi-Fi, but it does have built-in Ethernet (and yes, I'm using that term colloquially). <https://i.postimg.cc/6QJqK6Cj/desktop02.jpg> This is a shot of the radio configuration that Ethernet is tied to: <https://i.postimg.cc/DfQJq437/mikrotikrouter.jpg> The CAT5 out of the desktop connects to a $50 Mikrotik routerboard <https://mikrotik.com/product/RB411> o 300MHz CPU, 32MB RAM, 1xEthernet, miniPCI, serial port, RouterOS L3 With a 23dBm $50 card plugged into the routerboard's miniPCI slot <https://mikrotik.com/product/R52NM> o 2.4/5Ghz miniPCI 802.11a/b/g/n dual chain, 2x MMCX Whose output is attached to a 15dBi $40 2.4GHz wiregrid antenna: <https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=GD24-15-NM> Where the signal strength, at this very moment, is about -40dBm with a Tx/Rx CCQ of about 80%, S/N of about 75dB. <https://i.postimg.cc/yx4CgWYt/mikrotik-router-config.jpg> Does this detailed setup look more like what you were expecting to see? > Needless to say, there's no way you'd be making a 6 mile link at 144mbps > with the 30mw (average) laptop transmitter. You'd also need 20-30 feet > of elevation to keep the transmitter's Fresnel zones clear. I live on the top of a mountain, overlooking the Silicon Valley. If you only knew how many access points I can 'see', you'd be shocked (I guess the theoretical number could perhaps be in the millions, in fact, depending on antenna gain & radio sensitivity & noise floor on my side of course, but I never counted them ... suffice to say it's a LOT). -- You seem to have technical value to add; please add it so all benefit. |
Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Oct 14 10:58PM -0500 On 10/14/19 9:34 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: > Note the main reason for having to correct the typos is that those silly > little girls on this newsgroup who have nothing to add, will endlessly > quibble about the typos This is a written medium. If you can't be bothered to be concise and accurately convey an idea, what makes you think we want to waste our time figuring out what you meant. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx>: Oct 15 12:03AM -0400 On 10/14/2019 11:55 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: > I live on the top of a mountain, overlooking the Silicon Valley. Very fitting. You like to look down on people. |
% <persent@gmail.com>: Oct 14 09:29PM -0700 On 2019-10-14 9:03 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote: > On 10/14/2019 11:55 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: >> I live on the top of a mountain, overlooking the Silicon Valley. > Very fitting. You like to look down on people. i thought he looked like a fake tit |
tubeguy@myshop.com: Oct 14 05:32PM -0500 On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 09:39:25 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net> wrote: >>> my list of available networks. This is everywhere I am. What is it? >> Do a search and you will find out. >Tubeguy seems to be incapable of using google. I'll let Google steal YOUR identity, NOT MINE. Google is one of the top identity stealing sites online. Along with Facebook and Amazon. I dont use any of these three. I do however use Duck Duck Go. Of course if you want to add to the demise of usenet, just keep telling people to use google, for every on topic question they ask. Pretty soon you'll have this newsgroup all to yourself, and you'll be able to post questions and answer your own questions since no one else will be here. But you're probably like this guy: * All my life I wanted to own a big expensive yacht. After killing everyone on board, it's finally mine. ALL MINE..... All I got to do now, is figure out how to get it up from the bottom of the ocean, after I serve my lifetime prison sentence. |
Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Oct 14 06:34PM -0500 > I'll let Google steal YOUR identity, NOT MINE. Google is one of the top > identity stealing sites online. Along with Facebook and Amazon. I dont > use any of these three. I do however use Duck Duck Go. You're delusional if you think Duck Duck Go isn't doing the same data harvesting as Google. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com>: Oct 14 08:42PM -0700 > I'll let Google steal YOUR identity, NOT MINE. Google is one of the top > identity stealing sites online. Along with Facebook and Amazon. I don't > use any of these three. I do however use Duck Duck Go. Then you are using Google. Duck Duck Go uses Google to do the heavy lifting, then they display it as if it was their own. The only thing the contribute are filters for the results from Google. |
tubeguy@myshop.com: Oct 14 05:32PM -0500 >now, and I am not gonna spend a lot of money on it. Can a simple >tube tester be of much use? I say simple because I imagine a not so >simple tester will have a not so low price. Having worked on tube gear for well over 50 years, YES, you need a tube tester, unless you want to stock replacement tubes for everything you work on (not very practical). But you want a good quality tester. They used to actually sell tube testers that did nothing but check if the filament worked. Very useless. If the filament lights in the radio, the filament works. Or use an ohm meter. Back in my youth, drug stores had tube testers. Some did a halfway good test, while others were pretty useless. But it gave you something to do while the pharmacist spent an hour putting 20 pills in a bottle. Then you went home, took your drugs and got too stoned to remember which tube was the bad one. :) I have three tube testers. All are very old. Yet they still work well. The biggest problem with all of them are the paper roll charts. They fall apart from age. Most of the data on them is available online. You can either spend a lot of time making your own roll chart, or just print individual sheets, punch holes, and put then in a notebook. Buying an old RCA or GE or other brand tube manual is needed too. Or you can now download them for free in .PDF format. Search for "RCA tube manual" or similar. |
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Oct 14 06:28PM -0700 tub...@myshop.com wrote: ----------------------------- > Having worked on tube gear for well over 50 years, YES, you need a tube > tester, unless you want to stock replacement tubes for everything you > work on (not very practical). ** The OP is not going into the servicing business. He has exactly one, old tube radio with no clue how to work on it. A tube tester is the LAST thing he needs to spend money on. ..... Phil |
Paul Drahn <pdrahn@jodeco.com>: Oct 14 11:40AM -0700 > I also want to know if I can see the receive and transmit on a > multimeter? If so, do I use the AC or DC setting? > Thanks Confusing post. Are you referring to the physical moving hand meter itself, or are you referring to the whole box? If the meter shows the full scale sensitivity somewhere on the face, you can compute the resistance necessary to put in series with a 1.5 volt battery and correctly apply the + and - to the meter movement and see if it moves. Alternately, put a 10k ohm resistor in series with your Ohmmeter leads and test the combined resistance to see if you get 10k Ohms. If so, then the meter is ok. Paul |
tubeguy@myshop.com: Oct 14 05:33PM -0500 On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 01:52:43 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net> wrote: >> Apparently the big cities still have CB traffic. Probably >> mostly truckers. But it sure ain't what it was in the 70s. >Thank God. Since we are commenting on CB use. I too am glad all the kids and idiots are gone on the CB Band. These days they're all on facebook instead. I do tend to not understand what happened to all the truckers on the CB? Channel 9 is really no longer needed. For emergencies, people can just use their cellphone to call for help now. But truckers cant get instant road conditions up ahead, or smokey reports on their phones. And you cant talk to other truckers near you (unless you know all of them and have their phone numbers). So for truckers or anyone on the road, the CB still has a lot to offer. Not to mention its against the law to use a cellphone while driving in many places now. But not the CB. Two things I hope to never hear on the CB again are those annoying Roger Beeps, and the echo mics. Neither served any purpose and just made the CB hard to hear or worse. One other benefit of CB was that a lot of times in the past, I'd just talk on the CB to keep myself awake while driving late at night. And I had a lot of interesting conversations, as well as finding out where the truck stops are, where to get a good meal, and learning interesting facts about the area I'm driving in. I miss the good old days of CB. But not it's later days that partially caused it's demise due to abuse. Then too, the internet has been on a similar downward spiral. The early internet was both fun and useful. These days its been taken over by that repulsive Facebook and if you want anything useful, such as a repair manual, be prepared to give away your identity to some crooks, and pull out your credit card. Or just waste hours sorting thru all the bogus claims that say "FREE" manual or whatever. |
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